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Nitaibhangra
Years ago , I read in a magazine about colorful festivals performed by the Pakistani sufis .

The descriptions were filled with abundant imageries of the rites and dances . Smoking of all kind of substances was to be an important part , and an elaborate mystic cosmogical order was described .

There was however a point that struck me , and stayed in my memory :
It seems that out of a ritual necessity , not just whimsically , but for a kind of an internal sadhana , some sufi men will dress in women´s clothes .

Now , I have tried to find the exact explanations and context of this custom by searching on the net , but could not find the desired reference .
I only could find a vague approximation :

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They call this region southern Punjab, but it feels a very long way from Lahore, the Punjabi provincial capital. The people here speak their own language, Seraiki, which boasts its own poetry and song and its own patron saints, commemorated in the shrines that everywhere dot the landscape. After a few days in Bahawalpur, I drove out into the Cholistan desert – an extension of the vast Thar desert through which the India-Pakistan border is drawn. Next to a wind-blown hamlet of mud-walled square-sided dwellings, there was a sand dune, now covered with green-painted concrete, venerated as the burial site of Chanon Pir, a mythic figure whose cult harks back to the centuries long before Islam, or even Hinduism or Buddhism, reached these parts. On the day I visited, people from settlements across Cholistan were assembling for the beginning of the Pir’s annual festival. The skies were blue, the air was temperate and the mood was cheerful. Devotees were performing rites around the shrine, accompanied by the drone of harmonium and patter of tabla. Men dressed as women danced and laughed and begged. Peddlers set out stalls of cheap plastic trinkets. And there was not a mullah in sight.


But now my question is :
Are these men preparing to become eligible for a next birth as sakhi-bekhis ?
Nitaibhangra
This might be somewhat related , but it does not exactly reflect what I read in that other magazine .
In the magazine there was an explicite mention of men , and not of trangendered and intersexuals .

Hijras and Islam in India and Pakistan
Preyobrazhenya
In Cambridge, MA tonight:

Fri., Oct. 7-"The Whirling Dervishes of Istanbul." (Harvard Box Office) Performing the Sema, an exquisite spiritual ceremony in which dancers strive to achieve a state of meditation with precise and dynamic choreography, chanted poetry, rhythmic rotations, and live music. Sanders Theatre, 8 p.m. Tickets are $37/$32/$20 general. Harvard Box Office (617) 496-2222.
Oneiros
QUOTE (Preyobrazhenya @ Oct 7 2005, 10:29 AM)
In Cambridge, MA tonight:

Fri., Oct. 7-"The Whirling Dervishes of Istanbul." (Harvard Box Office) Performing the Sema, an exquisite spiritual ceremony in which dancers strive to achieve a state of meditation with precise and dynamic choreography, chanted poetry, rhythmic rotations, and live music. Sanders Theatre, 8 p.m. Tickets are $37/$32/$20 general. Harvard Box Office (617) 496-2222.
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I was working at Harvard today and was thinking of going, but ended up taking the 8:15 pm train back to Providence instead. I was tired.

Did you go? Was it any good?
evakurvan
Dervishes, Cairo, 1870's.

evakurvan
Dervishes, Turkey, 1890's.

Nitaibhangra
In a book explaining the five tibetan exercices I read that the whirling motions of the Turkish dervishes has the same effect as one the tibetan exercices where whirling is used .
Now these authors sustain that the tibetan system is really sufficient in its amount of whirling , while according to them the turkish dervishes exaggerate with their amount of whirling , but nevertheless they get some benefits .
Preyobrazhenya
QUOTE (Oneiros @ Oct 7 2005, 10:50 PM)
QUOTE (Preyobrazhenya @ Oct 7 2005, 10:29 AM)
In Cambridge, MA tonight:

Fri., Oct. 7-"The Whirling Dervishes of Istanbul." (Harvard Box Office) Performing the Sema, an exquisite spiritual ceremony in which dancers strive to achieve a state of meditation with precise and dynamic choreography, chanted poetry, rhythmic rotations, and live music. Sanders Theatre, 8 p.m. Tickets are $37/$32/$20 general. Harvard Box Office (617) 496-2222.
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I was working at Harvard today and was thinking of going, but ended up taking the 8:15 pm train back to Providence instead. I was tired.

Did you go? Was it any good?
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I was planning to go, but I have a sore throat and earache and didn't feel like doing anything last night. They come every year - so maybe next year.
Satyabhama
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Now these authors sustain that the tibetan system is really sufficient in its amount of whirling , while according to them the turkish dervishes exaggerate with their amount of whirling , but nevertheless they get some benefits .


I'm sorry, somehow this made me laugh really hard. laugh.gif
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