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Dhyana
I watched the transmission from the Live8 concerts yesterday. The program took some 5 hours and covered chosen artists from all the locations. It was amazing. The idea, the execution, and the blend of artists. There were new and old ones, often performing together.

It's been a very, very long time since I last watched a concert. Some trends were new for me. For example, I liked it that most artists wore very simple attire, just bluejeans and a t-shirt or a shirt. Or that it seems OK now for women to be plump.

I finally connected faces to some songs I have heard on the radio (means more CDs to spend money on, probably!): Linkin Park, Velvet Revolver, and a couple of others.

What struck me the most though, was that apparently it's OK to not be young! I didn't see any singers trying to look young. Quite a bunch of middle-aged men on stage, with wonderful songs and music, not trying to look like anything other than middle-aged men! spy.gif spy.gif spy.gif

They saved Pink Floyd for the end. I like PF (well, "like" doesn't seem the best word to describe what their music makes me feel). But I never watched any concert, the only time I saw them was in The Wall, and that was in 1985.

So now I get to finally see Pink Floyd -- and it's a bunch of old guys, with bellies and stuff. They are above sixty, after all. And the heaven breaks loose! It wasn't some pitiful imitation of old songs that one no longer has the voice to sing or the fingers to strike the chords. It was the real honest thing, and as passionate as ever. I loved them! I can't imagine I would have liked them better when they were young.

I can't describe what I felt. GUITAR.GIF tearsjoy.gif

But the audience in Hyde Park wasn't taken by storm. They came there for Robbie Williams, they chanted his songs and danced in ecstasy to his tunes. Robbie Williams, I don't know when he became a somebody, but it must have been when I was already in ISKCON, for he isn't much of a name to me. Good music, though.

But how can anyone be immune to Pink Floyd???? Be there and not cry? Or is it all totally subjective? Say, something in the human neurology determines that the music you listened to as a teenager will forever be the best music in the world for you?

Has any of you watched Live8? Or been there? Share your impressions!
Milla
I don't have a TV subscription, so I watched a part of it on the internet. I saw REM in Hyde Park and was ecstatic because I like them very much. Will Smith's speech in Philadelphia was also very powerful. I am sorry that I missed Pink Floyd. I knew that they were going to perform, but couldn't find out when, on all the official websites only an alphabetical list of the performers was posted. It was a most amazing thing, just seeing the numberless crowds in front of the huge stages gave me goosebumps.
Dhyana
And we missed REM! The program just didn't cover that group. I like them very much, too. But I didn't know they were going to perform until afterwards, when I checked the lists of performers on the net.

I got weepy when they showed Pet Shop Boys on the Red Square in Moscow -- because of the Red Square, not because of the PSB (although the song was good). You hear the wings of history at that place. And what a fantastic backdrop for a happening. But I mostly got sentimental because of my memories of the time spent there... as wild as it was wippe.gif
Tapati
I love Pink Floyd and I saw them the last time they toured. The joy of Pink Floyd is not what's happening on stage, it's the music with the incredible light show! It's actually better to be back a bit farther to get the full effect, as their music fits a laser show perfectly.

I went into a trance and woke up only as everyone was leaving.
jonny rama
It was nice to see Roger Waters invoke the name of Syd Barrett before Floyd's
"Wish You Were Here".

"We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl year after year..."



"Our sincerest laughter
with some pain is fraught,
Our sweetest songs are those
that tell of saddest thought"

--Shelley(?)
Dhyana
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It was nice to see Roger Waters invoke the name of Syd Barrett before Floyd's "Wish You Were Here".

"We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl year after year..."

Oh really? I did not catch it. That makes it even better!

I read somewhere that the Sunday after the Live8, the music shops in london recorded a 1300% (yes, thirteen times) increase in the sales of Pink Floyd's album "Echoes". Jai! smile.gif It restores some of my faith in the people who went to the concert.

I went and bought four CDs with Pink Floyd after that concert.
Milla
How many songs did Pink Floyd perform? I feel really sorry to have missed them. Pink Floyd with Roger Waters, who knows if they will get together ever again. I am waiting for the DVD....

I must admit I stopped listening to them after Waters left, I listened to the first two albums they made post R.W. and somehow it wasn't the same. I like a lot the stuff he made solo.

I think their image suffered a lot when they split and fought in court for the name Pink Floyd. For a band who became famous almost entirely because of its music (the musicians themselves gave few interviews and kept low profiles), it must have been a major blow. Maybe it was then that the continuity broke and the steady flow of upcoming teenage fans got diverted elsewhere.

I am surprised that REM were not included in the direct TV broadcast, they sang at least 4 songs, while the artists after them, Ms. Dynamite and Keane had just 1-2 songs each. I had wanted especially to see them and Paramatma fulfilled my desire. I was supposed to go to a friend to watch the concerts, but it didn't work out. So I connected to AOL and saw under London "REM will perform next!" Something told me to click on London anyway, and REM were already there! They were dressed in dark grey suits and dark blue shirts and looked very urban and sophisticated, except for the beautiful painted blue mask on Michael Stipe face. With his bald head he looked like an African chief. He was quite a sight.
Abhi
QUOTE (Milla @ Jul 11 2005, 02:17 AM)
I must admit I stopped listening to them after Waters left, I listened to the first two albums they made post R.W. and somehow it wasn't the same. I like a lot the stuff he made solo.


I am a fanatic of Pink Floyd, but strangely enough I like the stuff they did after Waters left more. My favorite albums are "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" and "Division Bell". I also like David Gilmoure's solo stuff.

I always thought that Roger Waters was more technical, and David Gilmoure more philosophical. Water's "Amussed to Death" didn't do anything to me. I stopped listening to his solo stuff after that point.

It's a pity PF don't tour anymore. Though I hear there are talks about doing one more tour, after Gilmoure is done with his latest solo project.

I did go and see a really good PF cover band about a year ago. http://www.aussiefloyd.com/

They sounded just like original and show was well origanized. I was in trance most of the time. Everyone getting high around me probably helped smile.gif They mostly played old stuff. They did almost entire "Dark Side of the Moon".
Maryada
Did any of you ever hear or see the synchronization of Dark Side of the Moon and the classic Wizard of Oz, with Judy Garland?

I was pretty impressed. The sound track is perfectly in line with what happens on the screen. The track runs out about halfway the film, but if you start it back from the beginning it will synch up with the second half of the movie as well. It's creepy and fascinating at the same time.

On P2P you can get the whole movie with the soundtrack replacing the original sound. Otherwise, rent the movie and pop in your Dark Side of the Moon CD:

1) Press pause at the beginning of track 1 on the CD.
2) Turn off the sound on your TV and start the movie.
3) Unpause the CD when the MGM lion roars for the third time.
4) If the credit Produced by Mervyl Leroy appears on your screen at the transition between "Speak to Me" and "Breathe," then you are correctly synched.

The similarities and scenes are milked out here:

http://www.everwonder.com/david/wizardofoz/
Abhi
QUOTE (Maryada @ Aug 5 2005, 02:49 PM)
Did any of you ever hear or see the synchronization of Dark Side of the Moon and the classic Wizard of Oz, with Judy Garland?


Ah yes, "The Dark Side of Oz". It was actually mass produced on VHS a decade or so ago. Strange that no one put it on DVD, yet.

And it's much better on acid, I hear wink.gif
Milla
Nowadays I like the most Pink Floyd's early stuff, esp. the albums with Sid Barett: Relics, Obscured by Clouds, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, Meddle, More, A Saucerful of Secrets and Ummagumma. Also, the music they wrote for the movie Zabriski Point. From their most popular albums (The Wall, The Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here), I like to listen only to a few of songs: One of My Turns, Comfortably Numb, Don't Leave Me Now, Wish You Were Here, Brain Damage, Two Suns in the Sunset, Postwar Dream.
jonny rama
QUOTE (Milla @ Aug 5 2005, 11:07 PM)
From their most popular albums (The Wall, The Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here), I like to listen only to a few of songs: One of My Turns, Comfortably Numb, Don't Leave Me Now, Wish You Were Here, Brain Damage, Two Suns in the Sunset, Postwar Dream.
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No "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", Milla? w00t.gif
Abhi
QUOTE (Milla @ Aug 5 2005, 04:07 PM)
Nowadays I like the most Pink Floyd's early stuff, esp. the albums with Sid Barett: Relics, Obscured by Clouds, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, Meddle, More, A Saucerful of Secrets and Ummagumma. Also, the music they wrote for the movie Zabriski Point. From their most popular albums (The Wall, The Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here), I like to listen only to a few of songs: One of My Turns, Comfortably Numb, Don't Leave Me Now, Wish You Were Here, Brain Damage, Two Suns in the Sunset, Postwar Dream.
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Umapati Swami once walked in on me, grooving to “The Division Bell”. Was kind of funny since he asked to borrow the tape. To this day I am not really sure if he was joking wink.gif
Milla
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No "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", Milla? w00t.gif


I do like it, actually when I pick up Wish You Were Here seven times out of ten I listen to it as well. You have read my mind well. Besides, having been a teenage Pink Floyd total freak, I can't blaspheme any of their songs. In my previous post, I mentioned the songs that still get to me the way they did when I was 15 because of their tune, a phrase and that something more between the lines and the notes, that haunting magic I have no name for.
evakurvan
i saw all of live8 as i was organizing essays the entire day in front of the tv.

1. I would not look to live8 for cutting edge trends in music.

2. Journalist Rex Murphy called it "another moment for ex-punk stars and rock maestros in decline to strut before the world's lights and cameras for a moment more," which I only heard afterwards, but it described what i was undeniably feeling while watching. And I am glad he is the one to have said that because he is very old, therefore it is not about age gaps, but about something else that i can't put my finger on, yet i am not the only one to have felt it.

3. That said there were also some fantastic moments, unfortunately i can't remember all of them now.

a) But i did like when bono said: "We are not looking for charity we are looking for justice."

b-) I liked when the canadian audience started wildly boo-ing Celine Dion broadcast live from Las Vegas tragicomically followed by her emphatic plea of how important it is to help poor children.

c) Like Milla i liked michael stype with his blue face paint, someone i always enjoy to watch if only to see what he will look like next. Though i have to say he has made practically no good music in a very long time. I tentatively place the timeline of this to when he shaved his head bald and came to us with that aggravating song, 'What's the Frequency Kenneth?' I say practially because there were some good moments like that one fluke track he did with patty smith (and the fantastic video to go along with it), and also "Strange Currencies," but it just got worse and worse from then on. To add to this I find his actual comments tedious, especially when he gets into his pretenses of being a *serious* photographer not just a musician. Still he remains the kind of person I just enjoy to watch no matter.

d) I liked black-eyed peas doing a duette with the marleys (minus fergies attempts at jamaican ullulations). I liked the visuals of the bright yellow long skirt of lady-marley, the only thing that had a mildly african aesthetic in the entire show in all of its colourful boldness.

e) Motley Crue shockingly gave a fantastic performance and also shockingly i liked Will Smith's entire spiel. Also great performance: Destiny's Child. I put these in the same category as i see them as creatively fluffy yet able to be moving from sheer force of visceral performative charisma.

4. Madonna, which i was expecting to like, holding hands with that african lady in this pseudo-victory pose, with her smiling appreciatively, just made me sick.

5. The things i expected to like, like paul mccartney, were so bad, i never thought i could hear 'hey jude' live and be totally unmoved, but it happened. No wonder so many die-hard beatles fans hate paul i am starting to understand. That man is pure milktoast john lennon is rolling in his grave as we speak. I have heard more honest moving perfomances of that song at karaoke.

6. i am a syd barette fan his face is even one of my yahoo avatars, hearing the pink floyd song 'brain damage' as a child made me want to work with mentally ill to this day, there are so many snippets of pink floyd lyrics that remain seminal to me, yet i have to say that their performance was horrible. No wonder they need to rely on lazer light shows their actual raw performance style has so little magneticism i thought i was watching marionnettes. Nothing is coming out of their eyes they are just going through the lyrics I was so underwhelmed. Also i heard on the news that the cd sales of every artist who performed rose, not just pink floyd.
jatayu
QUOTE (evakurvan @ Aug 12 2005, 11:32 PM)
a) But i did like when bono said: "We are not looking for charity we are looking for justice."

Indeed Lord Paramatma must have surely revealed why the performance style has so little magneticism that you thought you were watching marionnettes - because it is true! All musicians felt within that there's something wrong and that's what we saw while watching.
In short, the Istanbul tribunal reaffirmed that Bush and Blair and their henchmen are war criminals, not just in the eyes of world public opinion, but also, according to the Nuremberg legal principles, under international law as well.
As Geldof and Bono reassured us respectively: Bush is, after all, a pretty good guy, "passionate and sincere" about ending poverty, and that Blair and Brown [British treasurer] are, "the John and Paul of the global development stage".
War criminals, yet tender caretakers of the poor? Could this really be so?

Even a cursory investigation of the G8's debt forgiveness proposal immediately reveals it as a transparent con.

Thus, the $50 - 55 billion African debt deal must first be set against the context of the G8's 350 billion dollars worth of yearly subsidies to its agribusinesses whose cheap products then flood Third World nations devastating their economies. Or set against the Bush Administration's $200 billion tax gift to the richest American citizens. Or against Africa's total debt which is $300 billion. Or against the Third World's total debt which is a staggering $2.4 trillion!

Britain's annual contribution to the debt write-off will amount to somewhere between $70 and $100 million - about what it spends maintaining the Royal family in the style to which they are accustomed. The US's yearly contribution will come in somewhere between $130 and $175 million dollars - less than 15% of what it spends waging war against Iraq each month.

The $55 billion, then, represents a tiny drop in the proverbial bucket. A drop, moreover, which is itself purely theoretical since the 'debt forgiveness' is, at first, to include only 18 countries (accounting for only 5% of the population of the Third World), while another 20 become eligible under a vague, to-be-determined, future schedule. [It is worth noting at this juncture, that never, ever, in summit after summit, have any of the promises regarding poverty reduction ever been kept...ever.

More to the point, there are a few, shall we say, minor conditions. To wit:
Buried in a section of the deal entitled "G8 proposals for HIPC debt cancellation" is a perfidious little item to the effect that, for every dollar of debt forgiven will the debtor's foreign aid be reduced. In other words, the indebted countries will gain a big, fat nothing, while the IMF and the World Bank will be the recipients of, what is, in effect, a social safety net for creditors.

It gets more Kali-yuga.
For a country to qualify for debt forgiveness, it must meet what is known as the Highly Indebted Poor Country (HIPC) initiative's "completion point". This is another perfidious measure taken from the (failed) 1996 G8 'debt forgiveness' scheme, one which compels the indebted country to adopt the usual battery of free market reforms and 'structural adjustment programmes' so dear to the heart of the IMF and the World Bank.
Reforms that have been instrumental in creating and maintaining the poverty, mal-development and general economic subjugation of the 'developing' nations to begin with.

Contrary to popular opinion there is an easily discernable net flow of wealth from the Third to the First world. Thus, for every dollar of 'aid' given to Africa, three dollars are taken out by various Western banks and governmental institutions, and this does not even include the repatriated profit of the private transnational corporate sector.
Indeed, much of the token aid that the Third World does receive serves, in actuality, merely the development of the necessary infrastructure for the more efficient - and more or less criminal - extraction of these countries' resources and goods.
Furthermore, such 'aid' is almost always conditional - as in the present debt deal - on the implementation of 'free market reforms'. Reforms that oblige these countries to close down their schools and hospitals, sell off their public services at fire-sale prices to Western privateers, grow cash crops for export rather than food crops for local consumption and, in general, to subjugate themselves before the modern form of economic imperialism known, euphemistically, as neo-liberalism / globalization.
Finally, it is probably worth mentioning at this point the tiny, niggling fact that the 'debt' itself is totally fraudulent. That is, if one does the proper accounting of the amounts borrowed versus the amounts remitted in the form of principle and interest, then the so-called 'debt' of the Third World has already been more than repaid. If one does a more legitimate, that is fair, that is, historical accounting, then the debt has been repaid many, many times over.
In short, the debt is, by any rational accounting measure, entirely ours. This, then, is probably the biggest scam of all. Our wealth has been, and still is, entirely dependent on the exploitation of the so-called 'developing' world. In truth, the First world is not helping to 'develop' the Third. It is feeding off it.
So why do these 'developing' nations fall for all this?
Here one could write a book, and, of course, many have. Suffice it to say that military and economic power allows elites and institutions in one country to bribe and coerce those in another. Then once the debt cycle is set in motion, it is carried forward by its own inexorable inertia.
Still, there is always the potential for rebellion, and, indeed, the continuing and massive exploitation of the Third World by the First has, of late, produced more than a little evidence of such.
Thus, in Venezuela, the revolutionary government of Hugo Chavez has defied the United States and begun to redistribute its oil wealth amongst the poor. In Bolivia, millions have taken to the streets and unseated a government that was totally in the thrall of Western neo-liberal policies. In Africa, numerous countries have recently defied, rejected or delayed various IMF, World Bank and transnational imperatives, directives and deals.
To the question, then, of why the leaders of the G8 nations should, of a sudden, be so interested in addressing Third World poverty, the answer is, consequently, not hard to fathom: At all costs they have to protect the golden goose. To which end they must needs defuse the simmering revolt, and what better way to do that, than to throw a little token aid into the pot?
And to cover the fact that it is just token aid (in fact, 'Trojan' aid) how very comforting to have on board some of the elder statesmen of rock culture?

Now one can argue until the cows come home as to whether or not, or to what degree, Bono, Geldof & Co. were aware of all this. Certainly they should have been. [Certainly they would have been aware of the huge payoffs to the Live 8 corporate sponsors, i.e. the massive multi-million dollar promotion and marketing deals with EMI, with Ford Motor Co., and with AOL Time Warner].
But really, the only important distinction that need be made is that they were functionally complicit in the most profound way with a bloody militarism and with the economic immiseration of vast swaths of this planet's population.
And complicit also in tragically misleading the literally billions of viewers of the Live 8 concerts. Viewers who were treated to the greatest advertising gig in history. An event ostensibly in the name of 'aid', 'peace', 'freedom' etc, yet which, in reality, was in the service of their complete opposites. And that's what made evakurvan suspicious - could even Orwell have envisioned a propaganda system so insidious, so all encompassing, and so obscene as this? coffee.gif
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jonny rama
Brilliant, Jatayu. And thank you Eka for also helping to wipe my rose colored glasses a little.

"Every endeavor is covered by some flaw."
-The Famous Blue Charioteer
evakurvan
This is why I liked it when Bono said we are not looking for charity we are looking for justice. I saw this as his implicit head-nod to what really should be said, but that he is avoiding saying, because as some say: You get more bees with honey than you do with vinegar. I did not like how the event was presented as a feel-good fundraiser, as though we should be helping these countries out of our benevolent world-ruler morals. The disturbing reasons behind why there is even such a debt in the first place were ignored as usual.

Same with the Iraq war where the anti-war voice is so often spearheaded by the cloying and banal 'violence is wrong, let us understand eachother' and the sanctimonious 'bush is stupid he can't even prounounce words,' to the exclusion of the heart of the matter: the deceptiveness and ironies behind US foreign policy. But this should not be surprising, these kinds of things are not really elaborated upon at grassroots local protests, why would they be for this megamedia event.

Just like when the US stepped into Greece, to -lead them into democracy.- This might have been wrong for the US to do perhaps because 'killing is bad.' Or because 'one country should not arrogate to meddle into another country's internal affairs.' Rarely would one hear it is wrong because their self-imploding version of democracy is to kill off or to exile the poets and intellectuals to then violently install a Dictatorial Military Junta that will cater to US economic interests for a decade instead. What self-respecting media-outlet would report that? It is a shame that the media sets the spectrum of public dialogue to an a priori set of narrowed-down stock opinions, so that you end up with a caricaturalish deeply unsatisfying forum of discussion.

I have tracked that Rex Murphy article online, a good read!
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