Have many of you special people have seen unusual lights and flying objects in the sky?

In September 2004 I was up all night and went outside at around 2:30am to get some fresh air on my veranda overlooking the sea and the peninsula dividing the ocean and the inlet. I was a very dark night with no moon. And no, I did not ingest any substances that could have altered my perception.

As I headed towards the door to return inside I noticed a little red light on the hill immediately in front of my house around two kilometres distant. I initially thought it was a house light and I turned to enter my home when I had a feeling that there was something about this light that was odd so I watched it for 30 seconds or so. As I watched, it began to move. I thought, OK it must be someone holding a flashlight and they have begun walking around. Then it began to describe a triangular pattern of movement, slightly irregular, but it made this circuit over and over for approximately ten minutes. Then it switched on some lights and I saw that I was watching a circular craft flying low. The headlights (?) were on for only a few seconds.

The craft changed appearance from a red light to a more bizarre glow and it continued this strange flight pattern as though looking for something. I was not afraid but I was wondering what in the world it was doing, as it seemed so silly to be traversing this triangle over and over.

After about a half-hour of this I phoned my son in California to share what I was watching with someone I knew would believe me. He told me to get a photograph but I had no film. I did have a telescope and through this I got a fantastic view of the craft. As I was describing all this to him the ship dimmed and seemed to settle and remained still for a few minutes.

After a few minutes of this inactivity I noticed a bright star rising from the top of the hilly peninsula. I had never seen this star and I watched it carefully. It was white and it seemed to be a little large for a star. Then it stopped its accent and floated over towards the first object and hovered above it for a few seconds. Then it floated to the other side of the hill. I could see this as my house is on the side of a mountain looking down on this scene. It appeared to be out of sight of the first object as far as I could tell, judging from my estimation of their line of sight.

Then both lights hovered very still. Suddenly they both began to move erratically and by only a few degrees. This movement was completely in unison and very swift. It was obvious that they were linked in some wonderful way. This continued for about a minute or so.

When this simultaneous dance ended the white rectangular object floated off in a southerly direction out over the Southern Ocean and I could see the reflection of its glow on the surface of the sea. It went out for a few miles and then it floated back and began a wandering flight very low around the inlet and the hill on the peninsula.

Having a telescope enabled me to get a really close look at these craft. The first one liked like a machine. The second one was much larger, rectangular and it almost looked like an organic structure as the surface had a beautiful scale-like pattern and the edges of its slightly irregular shape had what looked like thin wires with bulbs all around the outline. Maybe the entire surface had these ‘hairs’ but I could not tell.

I watched these things for over three hours while chanting japa and keeping warm wrapped in my sleeping bag. I looked forward to the morning dawn so I would be able to see them in the daylight only to witness a low rain cloud obscure the entire scene and when it passed they were gone.

I was never frightened by what I saw and I switched my outside lights mounted on all my outside walls on and off several times hoping to attract their attention and hoping they would venture my way.

I share this with you as I trust you here and I know that many of you accept that there are beings on other planets that have the technology to travel as we have all read in the shastra. I believed these beings existed long before I read about them in books simply by looking at the stars as a little boy.

"There are a lot of people interested in alien visitors. A quick Google search for “UFO" will list almost 1.9-million sites. It’s the second most popular subject on the Net after sex."

- David Hachey, 63-year-old former insurance adjuster and local UFO enthusiast.

Several times over the years I've seen lights moving in ways that didn't fit any logical pattern for planes or helicoptors or stars or planets. Never got any kind of close look.

I don't have enough data to draw conclusions about what I saw, but I do take for granted that life exists on other planets. It seems farfetched to me that life only exists on this one planet on the edge of the milky way galaxy.

My only reservation about UFOs is whether faster than light travel is really possible or not, as that is the only way they could make it here unless they have "generation ships" where generations live aboard a ship to make a long journey between stars. Or they are very long lived.

Who knows?

Gee I wondered why this topic had been ignored. I find myself getting up at around two or three am every morning to check if our friends are having fun down near the water.

I didn't notice the topic when it originally appeared.

Maybe it became a shame to speak about UFOs. "All those disturbed conspiration theorists, ehh!" The tabloids and the conmen made the whole thing ridiculous. Most probably, many real UFO sighters also feel so, and never speak about their experiences.

I didn't write because I decided that none of my abnormal sightings of starlike objects would be on-topic here, as they can't be definable as either alien aircrafts or any known natural phenomena. Thought I desired for long time to see an extraterrestrial vehicle, when I was littler. Damn.

I am so glad a couple of you have responded as I find these topics to be so fascinating and when something like this makes its presence known I feel as though I have seen a small part of The Grand Plan.

Maybe when the original post was ignored I felt as though this forum could be a little too narrow for sharing profound experiences as they happen in the here-and-now. So many here, and elsewhere, seem to be transfixed on third-hand narrations of material and spiritual phenomena. I find this tedious, as I have discovered that we are not immortal and I have my own experiences to process, leaving me with little time to wade through educated cultural chatter.

These ships were so wonderful to watch. I feel sorry for those that rely on their preconceptions and will dismiss the reality of what is all around us simply because they have not been so lucky to have witnessed what I have been fortunate enough to.

Yet board statistics show that the topics that consistently received the most posts and views were the ones in "our stories" forum. That led some to conclude that the deep scholarly talks they wanted to have weren't popular here--go figure!

The thing is, what gets posted or not depends often on who happens to be here at any given time (board populations shift over time) and has time to post, what has caught their interest at the moment, and what other people respond to, since no one can keep up a conversation by themselves. And sometimes a topic simply gets overlooked if people are busy.

I think I myself straddle the scholarly and the experiential. I think both have their value.

On the ufo topic I remain open minded and uncommitted to an explanation. I do wish we could prove a sighting once and for all, if they are of alien origin. There's always the possiblity of military crafts that are top secret being mistaken for UFOs. That wouldn't surpise me either.

Whatever you've seen I'm sure it was fascinating to watch.

I wonder what is behind it that few sightings occur in Europe... too densly populated?

Maybe the aliens know the Earth's geopolitical reality enough not to waste their capacity on the declining continent.

Oh I don't know, I think with the EU Europe is making a lot of progress and may pass us Americans up in the not so distant future.

I wouldn't mind seeing someone else in the hotseat as "most powerful blah blah blah" because there's a lot of pressure involved with that. And really, no one nation can solve the world's problems.

We have many sightings here in Australia. Here where I live it is very wild and forested. I imagine they come here as it is quite peaceful and they have few buildings to avoid.

I do wonder just what they were doing as they flew around the hills and peninsula. I doubt they were just doing nothing. Although they could have been just playing. Maybr the sea was part of their visit?

No way! Military involvement is so out of the question. What I watched was far, far too graceful and advanced for those deadheads in uniform.

There was absolutely no noise; no exhaust, no flashing lights and the movements were so wonderfully smooth and apparently effortless. The fantastic colors and beauty was far beyond the guys running around dropping bombs on wedding parties in Afghanistan. If they had this technology they would be using it – that is for sure!

What I think is that these craft have been coming here for millennia and the ancients described them as chariots or pillars of salt or whatever as the terminology we use for these things was not in existence and they used what they had. Sort of like the Sun God dragging the Sun across the sky in His chariot.

I wish I could see something like that in enough detail to really see what it is. The moving lights I've seen are too vague to really say what they are.

How wonderful to have had a telescope just at the right time!

But then, what do you think of the abduction stories? Can you imagine what you saw being connected to abductions and the kinds of examinations and painful procedures we hear about? What you describe sounds so graceful and benign, it's hard to connect it to those activities. Although I suppose there could be more than one type of extraterrestrial.

I admit I am still hung up on the time involved in traveling to other planets. I know in science fiction they always explain it away by "warp drives" or "tesseracts" but those are conventions adopted to allow interstellar stories to take place. We don't believe in our present level of scientific understanding that it is possible except by wormhole, and those (so far as we know) are not controllable. If you happen to find a stable wormhole, you can --maybe-- travel through it although we don't know much about what the inside is like in terms of stressors, pressure, etc., so we aren't even sure you'd survive the trip. But let's say you do, and the other side is just as stable. Great, you have a trip back and forth between two points in space, and if there happen to be aliens on the other end you may have communication and commerce, etc., but no way to get to still other aliens.

It would be a lucky race who happened to live within traveling distance of more than one wormhole going to more than one race, and they could become a travel hub of sorts connecting those races together. They'd either be very rich or someone would beat them up and take over. :glare:

So I can't imagine everyone congregating here at the edge of our galaxy (even though we act like we're at the center) unless there is a wormhole nexus fairly close in terms of space distances.

Of course, we are in the earlly stages with quantum physics and one of the great science fiction hopes is that it will offer some applications that will enable star travel. One of the various methods mentioned in sci fi literature is utilizing alternate universes to travel through, say a smaller universe as a shortcut through to another spot in our own. Quantum physics seems to indicate the possibility of alternate universes, or at least one physicist thinks so. I can't remember his name but I read a long article about it in a science journal in one of my waiting room reading periods. (As an aside, if you get ill, buy a stack of paperbacks and magazines because you'll spend a lot of your life waiting for doctors or procedures.)

I can't imagine anything more incredible or wonderful in my own lifetime than open contact with aliens. (Well, the peaceful sort.)

Yet I don't imagine that they'd want open contact until we grow up as a species, so it may be many lifetimes from now.

Yes, nations are the main causes of the world's problems - their existence, which breaks down the force and capabilities of humanity to tiny fractions. But as long as they exist, there will be always one or some of them which are specifically advantaged, compared to the others.

Actually, I, with my European ethnocentrism, I tend to believe that Europe is more advanced in "culture" (I can't really say what is it ) and diplomacy than the USA, while USA is more advanced in military, economics and science. But I can't be so optimistic to think that we can pass the USA in these fields too, because we don't have a government - we have 25 of them. Although there is no merit in passing you up in economical production, for our material needs are already provided for, and further development is only possible by exploiting our workforce and environment.

But I think that the USA will shrink in these two fields too, because of its weakening education and disintegrating society. One can't be a superpower for so long, if one fifth of the popultion is practically illiterate, and almost half the population believes that the Earth is 6000 years old.

China is the probable favorite. Not a cheerful solution to me either.

This was one of my reasons to give up my faith in conspiration theories which taught that the American government signed an alliance with the Greys in which they allowed the Greys to abduct and process people and giving hi-tech in exchange. When Yugoslavia was bombed in 1999, I figured out that if USA military would have UFOs, they would not bombing Yugos with these earthly machines, but they would (have) bomb(ed) them (or Bhagdad, Teheran, Phongyang, Beijing, Moscow instead) with UFOs.



They still might have been the interplanetary military force of the aliens. In our history, most expeditions, and especially space adventures were organized by military institutions.

They can still be way above our "deadheads".

Just some ideas how could we be so interesting for many species, aside the wormhole theory.

If planets with a big biosphere are rare, it might explain that so many different UFO-building species congregate at the Earth. Biodiversity is valuable for a sentient being - even if for purely economic reasons, places of high biodiversity may have lifeforms which produce medicines, hormones, useful toxins, or which accumulate needful and rare types of heavy metals. If they have less practical interests in us, they have even more reasons to come here.

An intelligent race may be probably much rarer than a living planet - that, of course, will also attract the attention of other sentient beings. Either as a potential enemy (just look at our history so far) or a potential friend - or ally against other sentients with different interests -, we might be very interesting for any already advanced species.

My gut feeling is that these visitors (maybe they originate here) are so far advanced that the need to prey on us is a little ridiculous. The technological wonder of their transportation alone appeared to me to be light years ahead of anything we have. I felt that I was not in danger; actually I felt to be associating with benevolent and kind beings.

The whole time I watched I felt an amazing normality about what I witnessed. The whole scene was soothing to me. I even tried to attract them by switching my outdoor lights on and off to signal that I was friendly. These outside lights (12) are all around my home and as there were no other lights on at the time in the whole town, my lights would have been very obvious. Plus I am on the side of a mountain that can be seen for many miles. The night was moonless and very dark.

As far as the time involved in interstellar travel I would point to the level of technology we enjoyed only a couple of hundred years ago and contrast that with what we have available today, such as the computer we have on our desks, or flight of any kind for that matter. Our Great-grandfathers’ would probably never believe we could fly at 600 MPH at over 30 000 feet! I personally don’t think that our time-construct resembles the reality. I believe time is not linear and therefore it is flexible and probably this would allow us to traverse extreme distances once we understood the properties and qualities and possibilities that time presents to us.

Somehow I do think we are being contacted by higher beings even if we are primitives. These beings would be what the ancients would have referred to as demigods. Demigods are supposed to be on a spiritual platform and by virtue of this they understand our true nature. At least I like to think so.

The don't seem to have a cow protection agenda with all the cattle mutilations they do.

I suppose these cow mutilators are perhaps not as advanced as others? Or maybe they see humans slaughtering millions and they are wondering why we do so?

What I do know is that the wonderful craft I saw were the products of a very advanced group of beings. We have many cattle farms here and I have yet to hear of a farmer finding such a mutilated animal, and stories travel very fast around these parts, has no fear about that. I hear just about everything that goes on.

I actually can only surmise about the nature of the beings responsible for my sightings. I wish I could know more about them. I still get up most mornings around three and look to see if they are about. Have a look at the map of Western Australia and look up Denmark. You will see the Wilson Inlet and the Southern Ocean are very much at the end of the Earth where one would imagine travellers from where ever would feel some ability to be undetected and secure. I do!

And keep their probes out of my butt. They may be very advanced technologically to be able to travel billions of miles across space but they are obsessed with buttholes with all the abduction material I read.

My butthole was not violated, and I am pretty sure they knew I was watching. If they wanted to force the issue I doubt I cound have retained my honor!

Just wish I could see them again as I now have a you beaut digital camera and I am buying a very powerful spotting scope - just in case. I will also remain seated while I watch them next time, I remember South Park, alright!

That would be so incredible, if you could get pictures!

Homer, I believe your story and feel what you saw was very unexplained and a mystery which could of very well been a UFO. I too once had an experience of seeing something mysterious in the sky and can remember all the doubt on people’s faces when I recounted my simple story.

Here is my story:

I have had only one UFO experience that happened in late August 1976 about 85 miles west of Minneapolis, Minnesota. At the time, my girlfriend and I were on our way back to Detroit after spending a few weeks camping at Yellowstone and Grand Teton' national parks in Wyoming, and also after a one week intensive meditation retreat. Although I was young at the time, I had already became a vegetarian and had given up alcohol and drugs about 5 years before this experience, so my consciousness was pretty straight at the time.

We were traveling late at night, a little after midnight, in my little VW Square-back looking for a campground to spend what was left of the night. At around 1 AM in the morning, after not being able to find any campgrounds and not wanting to pitch a tent too close to Minneapolis, we decided to just pull off into a highway rest stop, clean up and sleep in the back of the little station-wagon.

When I pulled into the rest stop, there were no cars anywhere in the place, just this small building with bathrooms and candy machines was light up, so we got our gear and went inside to freshen up before calling it a late night. I went into the men’s room and there was this little older fellow washing the floors in a dark brown jump suit. We spoke some about the quietness of late night, and then I went out into the hallway to wait for my girlfriend to come out. Suddenly the doors to the place fly open and this middle age couple are yelling, “UFO, UFO, it’s been following us for miles, going under bridges and over trees, not to mention our car! Now it’s hovering in back of the building” I was tired no more, so I asked them if they could wait for my girlfriend to come out before we could all go out back and check it out. My girlfriend comes out and the story is repeated, so we go walking quickly out of the building. I was thinking the whole time, are these people for real, hope their not thieves or something, but why would anyone try to rob two young hippies, and they were this pretty normal looking middle aged, middle class looking couple. So we all went walking quickly out and around the small building to the opposite side of the parking lot and toward the tree line about 300 ft away. There it was! It was this huge bright orange oblong shaped object, hovering over the treetops. The weird part about it was that the color seemed to be emanating from the inside out, very neon orange and bright, and even weirder yet, there was no sound. As bright as it was, it was not throwing out any light that reflected onto the trees, it was this self-contained brightness, next to a very dark clear star filled country night. My first thought was, it’s a balloon, but it was so long, had no seams or markings of any kind and was very smooth almost clear plastic looking, just this very bright oblong object about 100 feet away and about 60 feet up. The people kept exclaiming how this thing would go slow, then very fast, they clocked it at over 90 miles an hour in their car while driving along it on the highway, that it would stop on the dime, go away and then catch up with them, then go up and down, almost like it was playing some kind of tag game with them. When we saw it in the back of the building, it would just hover backwards and disappear behind the tree tops, then come back, go a little up and then down. This went on for about 10 to 15 minutes until it just whooshed away into the horizon behind the trees, the kind of sound you hear if you swing a bat or stick very hard. It was gone, that was that.

We all talked about it for about 20 minutes afterward, then we went back into the building and the maintenance guy listened to our story and had this look on his face,” What drugs are these people on!” So the couple said their goodbyes and went ahead of us out the door, then we left about 20 seconds later. My girlfriend and I were psyched and wide awake, we then realized that there were still no cars in the lot and remembered that when we walked outside with the couple, we could not remember seeing any cars then either, and where was the vehicle for the maintenance guy? We walked back to the woods and waited some more but nothing happened. We went back to the car, pulled into the far ends of the lot and stayed up a few hours hoping to see some more, and talking all kind of wild scenarios on how maybe the people and maintenance guy were aliens trying to abduct us because we had just come back from a meditation course, all kinds of fantastic stuff, but that was it, and never again have I ever seen anything like that. Could of it been some kind of weather balloon or futuristic type military aircraft? Maybe, but if the other couples story was correct, how would a weather balloon do all the things they say it did, and from my research, I have never seen a photo of a weather balloon or military aircraft that came close to what I saw. I am convinced it was something totally unexplained and one the more fabulous minute experiences of my life that still gives me feelings of wonder and awe, even as simple as the experience was.

I believe that there are things that exist that we cannot see, there are sounds that exist in frequencies that we cannot hear, whereas animals or scientific instruments can detect some of them, same with colours. This is not really disputed but mundane a neuroscientist will teach this straight-faced like it is the most commonplace thing as I have experienced when taking classes on the brain. People have been hearing and seeing things that are not supposed to be there forever, I am wondering at what point did people start saying that these experiences are literally people from other planets or ailiens. My question would be how do you know these things are ailiens? Why not ghosts, spirits, demons, visions or whatever else, why ailiens with superior technology in aircrafts?

I know people who have seen or heard things that should not be there, my sister would see coloured lights like that when she was a child but as she got older it stopped forever. She never thought of this as ailiens. I think I have heard things that are not there, but I never thought of this as ailiens. Maybe this has to do with how I am just not interested in ailiens, I am not a fan of the Sci-Fi genre (excluding the Twilight Zone (!!!) if you want to call that Sci-Fi) and I never even saw E.T. so I am not one to interpret any experience as being from ailiens since for some reason I am not into ailiens. For someone into the ailien aesthetic it is another story, but I am interested in this leap, why leap to calling these experiences specifically ailien experiences or ufos.

Kalisurfer, I had flashes back to a show I had the misfortune to check out, a sort of horror anthology type show, can't remember its title, but these young hippie types in their guatemalan clothes and dreadlocks were selling stuff outside a rest stop. Looked so harmless but it turned out that they were robbing and killing people and taking them to their lair under the rest stop to strip them of literally everything--hair, skin, teeth, everything. So the mystery of where the cars were brought this back to me. (shudder)

Perhaps we do jump to conclusions about aliens although some sci fi centers around theories that there are other races among us, either isolated deliberately, in hiding, or passing as human.

Still another theory may have it that there are non-sentient entities that we assume are intelligent. The playful zipping around this way and that seems like that to me, a dog level intelligence.

Or it could be some kind of energy phenomena. (Or intelligent energy being.)

We just don't know...

It does seem like the status of UFO sightings is taken about as seriously as Elvis sightings. Perhaps it is because of all the sci-fi movies, comics and TV shows that has cheapened the topic to this low-brow status in serious alternative thought. It becomes this Barnum & Bailey Circus topic full of bad clown paintings done on velvet next to cheap paperback romance novels sitting above the tabloid newspaper National Enquirer shouting bold headlines that Hitler is alive and well due to the new wonder diet that includes eating the fat off the body of Christy Allie! It does not help either that a lot of people who go to UFO conventions are also the same ones who belong to the United Universal Church of Elvis, but somehow that makes all the false sightings all the more understandable.

I just read these astronomical statistics recently and they point out the odds that we are the only intelligent beings around who fly machines to be pretty minute. Just think about our planet and the Milky Way we are in. The Sun in which our planet revolves around is only one of around 400 Billion stars in that same Milky Way, which is really a small galaxy that has very little around it. But there are estimated to be 140 billion galaxies in our unfolding universe. If all the stars in the universe were the size of a pin, they still would fill a large football stadium to overflowing more than 3 billion times! So why not be able to freely think that there are other planets with life forms that have the ability to come on down to earth and check us out, be they advanced, primitive or worst yet, like us?

It’s hard to explain seeing something physical that you see with your eyes and senses that cannot be explained to those who have never seen such a thing. It is easy call it crazy and totally whack or attribute it to the land of mental visions and ephemeral spirit, but to those who experience it, it just is what it is: a physically real experience, where the mind and senses know that the experience is as real as anything else you have ever experienced in the material plane.

Unless your crazy of course and believe that god was once a blue little boy that opened his mouth to his mother so she could see the spiritual universes, and that when he got older he had a consort who was actually a part of him/herself, and that at night he went into a forest with all the married wives in his village and had intimate conjugal relations but no sex, and that he incarnated 500 years ago so he could taste the beauty of himself and go nuts chanting his own name, well then of course, you know you’ve lost it all and in no time you’ll be seeing the saucers above your head!

Just as it appeared, well put!

I am not saying I don't believe in ailiens, I really can't know, I do not think seeing things like that means you are wack, and even if you *were* wack I would not say that what you see is not there. My post was not really to challenge the existence of seeing something that others can't see, more to ask why call that thing ailiens with superior technology in aircrafts... do you see what I mean... People see strange floating lights and other things since ages, and they interpret these experiences in all sorts of other ways considered equally -wack- . . . why ailens?



You seem to say these are not –only- visions or spirits, but so real they must be ailiens, but I do not understand why you say that. Do you think people who see things that aren't there, but don't call those things 'ailiens,' have an experience that is not as physically real? Or that it is somehow not as plausible an experience as the experience of people who want to call what they see ailiens?

Just a thought I think a lot of males are particularly into ailiens more than females, and I think that is because they feel more logical attributing their eerie experiences to ailiens, since there is scientific jargon behind it and can go into explanations of the plausibility of life on other planets and 140 billion galaxies, so this whole dialogue of numbers and rational explanations gives them a security and aura of credibility, a language they feel is acceptable to talk in. Just like if you go into a Sci-Fi Comic store almost everyone will be male it seems Sci-Fi and ailiens is the only accpetable outlet for regular males to indulge in these kinds of things without being thought of as irrational people who believe in irrational things, which carries more a social stigma for males than it does for females.

Saying "aliens" fits better to our quasi-scientific worldview than saying "demons, or angels, or ghosts". Our science denies the existence of all such supranatural things, but doesn't fully denies the possibility of technologically advanced aliens who travel between solar systems.

That our culture has an established view how do those other (non-existent?) creatures look like - ie. that angeles are something like winged, whitey female beings; that ghosts are something cloudy, floating ectoplasma (or the same being packed into a white textile) etc. - these images don't fit well to the perceived image of either the commuting UFOs or their pilots.

Evakurvan, you raise some good points in your critique on aliens and UFO’s. I especially love the observation on males being the predominant users of comic book stores, getting turned on by logical scientific thinking and the billions of galaxies phenomena and all things left brained. But my points were based on my own experience of seeing something mysterious and unearthly in terms of being very close to a strange object floating and then moving in the air. I just wanted to support Homer in his experience, because I know first hand how people will dismiss your personal experience based on disbelief in the paranormal or anything associated with alternative thinking out of the mainstream and close to the woo wooish twilight zone world. I never said that what I saw was an alien aircraft, just an unexplained mysterious one. Like you, I have no factual idea if aliens do exist, nor is it a very important issue or a part of my life. The possibility of intelligent life out there in the universe is pretty high to my thinking, mainly because there is so little of it here on earth, and I am hopeful that some exists here outside of the spiritual planes.

I am really not a science/numbers type of guy whose pants rise at the proclamation of billions of stars and universes out there, and am more interested in all things right brain, be it spirit, art, poetry, creativity, healing, inward inquiry, love, abstraction and all things that cannot be qualified and given fundamental answers to. So I find it interesting and somewhat amusing to be lumped into the all Male Science & Numbers Intellect a Go Go Club that meets at the local comic store due to my post explaining my experience of seeing something unexplainable and wanting to support someone who had a similar experience.

But you make good points also, and yes, there probably are a lot of mysterious things out there that are explainable that end up being considered alien. It is also a great possibility that because of people being unable to believe in anything spiritual and coming from subtler aspects of the self or finer spiritual planes, that they have to attribute all mysterious things to physical phenomena that are unidentifiable, aliens being one of those, which immediately excludes the topics you mentioned in your post, the realms of spirit, ghosts, demons, visions, etc.

In some strange way, I think we agree more than disagree on this topic, but that’s the fun of trying to explain your thoughts, feeling and experiences in written form, without the immediacy of dialogue, facial expressions and all the spirit of in-person interaction.

I’m going to have to visit a comic book store and see if any women go there at all, you’ve made me very curious! Now I am also in need of finding out how many men attend the Universal Church of Elvis, and if not, does this have any correlation to the book, “Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus” that was so popular a few years back, and all of this could go a long way in explaining why maybe we are all aliens on this planet!

I confess to having been a comic book reader in my preteen and teen years, own a few even now, and love all things sci fi. I seem to be almost evenly divided between right and left brain thinking...enjoy both and both have their place in my life.

I guess I never quite fit anywhere...

Sorry I was not trying to lump you in or judge you, when I was writing that I was not thinking that you must be 'one of those people' at the local comic store or something like this, comics are not only for teens or foolish people like you think I am implying, there are many adult creative people into comic books. Also I once saw this documentary about the life of a comic book artist named Crumb and it was one of the most eerie things I ever saw. Yes to me eerie means *intriguing,* I do not think eerie means foolish and dismiss it, I am not doing that with ailiens either just because I make an observation about gender. Like you I am into abstraction and tend to go off into abstraction this is why I said "Just a Thought," because it is true Sci Fi seems to be mainly a male thing though there are some females into it too - it is very noticeable, so I started thinking I wonder why that is.

I am really not one to support ideas like in the book Men are from Mars like you might be saying, ideas like in that book tend to agitate me, even though gendrist perspectives on the brain are very popular in academic circles and backed by a lot of scientific research, for some reason these types of things never sit right with me even though they are probably true in some sense and few have a problem with them. I was not trying to undermine you or your support of Homer.

My mom and I live in a very tiny town in the hills of the North East of USA, and even here we have seen things in the sky that could not be explained.

I did not see them, but my mom did. She does not drink or smoke or anything that might bring such views on unnaturally.

What she saw was at night and they were just multi colored light flying over the forest in our view (my favorite view in this material world) the colored lights were so bright that she could see the forest below them. This went on for some time untill they did the usual fly off at an incredible speed.

The next night she went out at the same time to see if they were again there, and sure enough there they were. After the second night she called up who ever in the US government that a person calls when they see UFOs. They in turn contacted her and got her story.

On another note, and forgive me if this was pointed out here in this thread before. But related to this subject and to Gaudiya Repercussions....... I have a satelite tv hook up and sometimes when it is my turn to watch tv, I surf through the channels, recently I was doing so and came to a face that I recognized. It was the devotee who was part of the Scientist program of Bhaktivedanta/ Hare Krishna. I have forgotten the name of him and the program, but there he was, neck beads showing, talking about the past history of earth, and of past technologies, including space craft described in the Vedas. Perhaps his name is Sadhuputa?

Anyways he was being interviewed as "someone in the know". And the TV show was called UFO's

I recognized him from when he came to our temple once,back in the late 70's, to give a series of lectures on the Fifth canto and how to understand the space descriptions in it.

He is Sadaputa. With long second "a".

The "u" is long, too.

Now we know perfectly how to pronounce his name, is he the one who I have seen on this UFO show?

I do not know if this is from Sadaputa, but it is from an Iskcon leader whose name I don't remember. For a long time I have been thinking that electricity hums, like from a computer, are somehow draining even if we don't realize that they are draining since our attention span tends to eventually block out backround noise. I realized this especially when I lived in the same room as a refrigerator! I make efforts to buy quiet computers and I am interested in these topics of sound so this is why when I heard this it struck me particularly. The theory by the Iskcon leader goes like this. There are ailiens who have more advanced technology than we do, and in order to power their technology they have implanted an inferior version of their technology on earth - that hums. It is from that constant hum that the ailiens power their own advanced technology, creating a constant feed for their machines. This information is apparently in the Vedas. Has anyone heard of this theory? Bhakti Tirtha Swami also talks a lot about ailiens in his book Spiritual Warrior: Uncovering Spiritual Truths in Psychic Phenomena.

It is draining, but I doubt that aliens have anything to do with it. You may be interested in listening to the second act of this broadcast (Real Player needed). Or go to http://www.thislife.org/.


Oh, please!

Thanks that was interesting, I have thought a few of the things said in that clip.

There are some people who say that tinnitis, an ear problem that causes one to hear a constant ringing in the ear, is not necessarily ear damage. Instead people with tinnitus are hearing sound frequencies that always exist in the ear, but that most people are conditionned to block out. So if we were to not block it out, we would hear this constant ringing too.

I've seen lots of unexplained things in the sky but cannot say I am free of intoxicants when these things were percieved. I actually feel that marihauna intoxication makes one's visions more bonified since intelligence and perception are enhanced. I think corporations should fire employees who come up negative on a urine test for thc (active psychoactive agent in marihuana) as a "clean" employee is not the best employee.

Who knows probably the things people might see on Marijuana are actually there and it takes the enhancecd perception of Marijuana to see them. Or maybe not.

Even so some religionists would say, what is the point of the cheap thrill of taking a substance that will make anyone who takes it automatically perceive strange things?

They will say the point of meditation is not to make yourself see strange things but the point is the -process- involved that sometimes leads to seeing strange things, the strange things in and of themselves have no value other than peripheral even impediments to your meditation.

Well, as far as seeing strange things that aren’t there goes… I just received my Leica APO Televid 77 telescope so I may be able to zoom in on the objects I saw floating around, if they return. These high-end scopes are a marvel. Very light, strong and exhibit excellent resolution even in low light situations as they use exotic glass to fabricate the lenses. I am struck at the wonderful ability of humans to bring forth such tools so finely crafted.

What I saw using a very toyish telescope I hope to see more clearly with this exotic optical piece.

I doubt a vision or a ghost would create an image using a telescope. Or maybe it would? I aim to find out.

Evakurvan,

No need for apologies, for you brought some creative unique thinking to the topic on hand and I was taking your broad viewpoints on aliens and UFO’s too personally due my one an only experience in seeing something unidentified up close years ago.

I did go into a local comic book store on a Friday evening and there were 2 guys in their late 30’s behind the counter, and 6 adult men and one male teenager in the place. I asked one the workers just how many females come in to shop, and he said, “God, I wish there were more women coming in here, I haven’t had a date in months! For the most part, the only females who come in here are mothers with their sons and an occasional wife or girlfriend buying presents for their husbands and boyfriends, and once in a great while a female does come in to buy and collect, but that is rare, so about 95% of everyone who comes in is unfortunately male.” So you’re right on this issue. I wonder if this is because most comics are created by males for males and that the comics created for females are kind of lame and sappy and do not deal with modern issues and topics that have meaning to them? Sounds like a market untapped. Would you be inclined to read a comic or graphic novel if it dealt with humor and insightful topics that are meaningful to you?

I did see the movie “Crumb” you mentioned, a documentary about the quirky life of one of the original creators of the underground comic, artist Robert Crumb. I loved that movie, mainly because it delved into the heart of the American dysfunctional family, something that lurked below the radar of the projected perfect family portrayed in TV shows like “Leave It To Beaver” and “Father Knows Best”. Crumb was a true non-conformist of his time, imagine living in Haight Ashbury in the 60’s and hating rock and roll but loving early Jazz from the 20’s and playing the ukulele while dropping acid and letting all your personal political and sexual fantasies come alive in drawn comics!!!

Another movie that dealt that dealt with comics was “American Splendor,” the life of comic creator Harvey Pekar. This film was really very warm and funny while looking into the life of a pretty common guy in Cleveland facing the onslaught of material life and how he found expression in creating comics and graphic novels from the everyday experience of his life. Strangely enough, it was Robert Crumb who illustrated his first comic before he became famous in San Francisco a few years later, plus, Pekar eventually married a very eccentric woman who ran a comic book store in Delaware, so indeed, there are women out there who are into comics, but they are seemingly rare.

Well I am particular in that I am completely anti-visual I can't read maps or graphs and this is why I am not into comics because I am not a picture-person, also not a fiction person, so I would probably not ever be truly into comics though I realize there are a lot of insightful people working in that medium probably even more so than in highbrow mediums. I prefer to watch documentaries about the life of comics or listen to interviews of comics talking about the ideas behind their comics. I don't think this is why few females read comics, I think this is just my own peculiarity, I can't follow picture-plots and I generally am not into fiction plots.

OH MY GOD I can't believe you saw that movie what a great movie and the best part is it is no movie it is a real life documentary. To this day I am haunted by the brother who would never leave his room and spend all his days reading nonstop victorian novels and writing streams and streams of verse all in tiny huddled letters.

Yes, and then there was the other Crumb brother who lived in that small apartment in San Francisco who was interviewed while sitting on a bed of nails and preparing to swallow a long piece of cloth to clean out his intestines while pining about not having enough female interaction....and then there was their mother !!!!

If you liked that film and you have a chance, rent "American Splendor", it has actors playing the part of Harvey Pekar and his wife interspaced with cuts of them actually talking about their lives and scenes in the movie, spliced in with some of his drawn comics, a really creative film that leaves one feeling pretty good about the possibilities and randomness of life.

Not to mention, these films are proof that aliens live among us and are procreating hybrid non- conformist creative half humans on the verge of surrealistic transcendence between hilarity and angelic heaven!

grandeur of ghosts

when i have heard small talk about great men
i climb to bed; light my two candles; then
consider what was said; and put aside
what such-a-one remarked and someone-else replied,

they have spoken lightly of my deathless friends
(lamps for my gloom, hands guiding where i stumble),
quoting, for shallow conversational ends,
what shelley shrilled, what blake once wildly muttered....

i have sat silent; angry at what they uttered.
the dead bequeathed them life; the dead have said
what these can only memorize and mumble

- siegfried sassoon

when i heard the learn'd astronomer

when i heard the learn'd astronomer,
when the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before
me,
when i was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and
measure them,
when i sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with
much applause in the lecture-room,
how soon unaccountable i became tired and sick,
till rising and gliding out i wander'd off by myself,
in the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
look'd up in perfect silence at the stars.

- walt whitman

Yup, several times. Sweden just seems to be one of these places...

I have to admit, though, that it was never more than light. No details, no strange little green (wo)men. The most bizarre one was once when I was walking back to Shyamakund late at night (or very early in the morning, rather). I noticed a big bright star that I had never seen before. I figured it must be one of the planets, likely Venus, because it was so big and bright.

Then it started to move, descending from the sky and getting bigger. Within seconds it had come down very low. By now it looked like a huge ball of bright blue-white light. It stopped moving for a moment and then slowly descended further, into a nearby lake. The bright light diminished to a glow and then slowly extinguished.

This was the same lake that two devotees had once noticed some strange vortex phenomenon (I wrote about that elsewhere). Although I accompanied devotees there several times for a swim, I never swam in that lake myself. It gave me the creeps -- so much so, that I have never taken as much as a dip in any lake around Korsnas for all the years that I lived there.

A lot of people cannot see the point in my posts but that does not mean that those who do see a point should credit me as an advanced alien.

I, too, have spent much time in the Australian wilderness. Whilst I have seen a bit that could be classed as paranormal, they could all be arbitrarily identified according to mythological heritages. I have never smoked mary jane or taken any psychedelic pills and things.

I have enjoyed some episodes of X-files. I have not been beyond wishing that benign aliens would take me up and implant some genetic material in my gums to stimulate a third set of teeth and generally, cure me of all mundane pains and aches. You know, as an experiment of course.

I have enjoyed particularly evakurvan's posts in this topic despite the shocking typos and spelling errors.

BTW, for those of you that come across UFO's, my advice is - Try to get past the light show - the truth is beyond the lights.