QUOTE (angrezi @ Jun 29 2006, 08:28 PM)
But I say, does anyone here know for a fact that Saibaba is indeed not god? Let him come fourth now
Speaking as an ex-devotee, I can say that he is not God.
I'd just like to say that in spite of the (shameless, haha!) advertising of my blog by virtue of my signature, I have never spoken even once about SB here to my knowledge. Even my recent post about Shashi Tharoor's nomination for the UN Sec-Gen post was given more in the context of "Indian news". Funnily enough, I have noticed mentions of SB by two other members here at GR, but I never rose to the occasion to make a comment when I have plenty. That is because I respected the boundaries of this board which predominantly discuss GV and ex-GV topics and I didn't want to post here with an agenda. I think that my participation here so far has been more or les on the subject of GV topics. So I'd like that to be acknowledged and understood please.
I'll also admit that my shyness in discussing this topic here (as indicated in my last post) is because my work is not without critics. I and my colleagues have been the subject of malicious slander and defamation campaigns where attempts have been made to ruin my life. I do have my stalkers and the mods of the board have been made aware of the problem, since I know for a fact that my stalkers are watching my every move. This has happened before in other Vaishnava forums too. I am a "hunted man". Still, I'm not scared but I'm just apprising the facts here. In any case I'm still not entirely keen on discussing this guy here but, like I said, if there is substantial interest then I'd be happy to contribute.
In answer to angrezi's question, I must admit that I took my cue from none other than Prabhupada himself. I paid attention when he said that an avatar must
be predicted in the scriptures in order to be genuine. In actual fact I knew that already with my studies into Christianity but it was nice to hear it again with more forcefulness. And so indeed, one of the things that solidified my faith in SB's divinity were the profusion of "prophecies" all supposedly describing his advent on earth. Not only does this supposedly occur in Hindu scriptures, but in the scriptures of other religions too (Revelations 19, etc)! My research into this is still ongoing, but I have largely found these "prophecies" to be either complete fakes or gross distortions of the original. A good example of this would be the Islamic prophecy of the Mahdi, the Shia texts are almost completely unlike the info passed around in the SB community.
There are many other things that prove he is not God. For example, in my last post I mentioned that I had written a seminal essay
in 2002 (corrected) that brought forward previously unknown (and highly scandalous!) information into the public eye, and which shed new light on his already-dubious origins. I'm pleased to say that my amateurish effort brought forth no less than three
supporting essays from a scholarly figure. The basic premise of this essay was my presentation of the idea that SB may have acquired
his powers through yogic practices or other similar methods, instead of being born with them as he claims and as millions believe as typical of an avatar. Believe it or not, this is a truly revolutionary and faith-breaking idea for SB devotees to contemplate. Four years later (2006) I have come across new information that supports and further confirms my original idea, which will soon be published among a host of other imminent exposés. There are many, many reasons why he is not God. Just for a laugh you can put "Krishna" in the search box at the top-right of my blog and read away, most notably my exposé of the "SK Picture Imbroglio".
In answer to Epitau's question, the concern I expressed primarily relates to Tharoor's nomination by the Indian Govt. for the position of the UN Sec-Gen. This is a guy who, if he gets the job, will take over from Kofi Annan. His mother is a devotee of SB and, although I haven't found a place where he directly states his "devoteehood", he has penned a gushing article in favour of SB for the International Herald Tribune, completely ignoring the resulting protests. His nomination is supported by Indian ex-Premier AB Vajpayee, who is also a devotee of SB and visited him on many occasions for SB's consultation on matters of national policy and government.
SB has a long and sordid history of having court justices, state governors, prime ministers, chiefs of police, presidents, and other dignitaries, in his pocket. His previous attempt to gain worldwide recognition by UNESCO (in 1999) failed miserably thanks to the efforts of protesting ex-devotees from all around the world. If Tharoor gets the position, is this time for SB's big break onto the world stage? He has predicting worldwide fame for himself since he was barely 7 years old. Of course I have spoken everything here in a nutshell, as there is much more to say and be said. There have been some legal developments also but I cannot speak about them pending an imminent official statement to be published on our website.
Oh there have been some developments here in the UK too, and plenty more on the way. Did you see the BBC documentary? I was personally involved with that.
I'll expect my stalker(s) to come in and hack me to death now. Hopefully the mods will be on guard.
What does all this have to do with GV? I found that I will always appreciate Prabhupada's influence in my life for a time, as I feel that his exegesis of Vaishnava philosophy completely reorganised my way of thinking about things, and helped me to understand things in an entirely new light. It has helped me to make spiritual commentary on many fundamental areas of disagreement between SB's theology and philosophy as compared to traditional "Hindu" exegeses of Vedantic thought. Recently I have found that SB devotees are posting links and bhajan mp3s from the RadioKrishnaCentrale site. Specifically they were listening to Damodarastaka and 'Sri Rupa-manjari Pada' by Narayana Maharaja. Some SB devotees now study Prabhupada's books and incorporate his ideas into their daily lives, even if it is mixed up with other crap SB stuff. One SB devotee published a book praising SB as the "Supreme Personality of Godhead". Considering the longtime hostility between ISKCON and SB Org., I think that these are encouraging developments and perhaps the time is ripe for them to receive enlightenment.