I'm sure we all had exposure to astrology in our ISKCON days, usually called "Vedic" astrology although that's a disputed term. Western astrology also has something to say about spirituality.

I remember that the 9th house was the house of religion, and the 12th indicated your likely outcome upon death, or trends heading to your next life. Perhaps we have astrologers who can address this in more depth.

However, I ran into this breakdown of the different signs in the 9th house and their impact on how one might tend to experience their spiritual life. It is couched in Goddess terms but I think it is not that difficult to translate into the language of whichever path you follow. It interested me because I think both culturally and individually, a one size fits all spiritual path simply doesn't work. I think this helps us explore why that might be so, and what modes of spiritual expression suit us best. It also relates to the GD discussion and poll about which practices are favored by members--there was a wide variety of answers. So even in a fairly straightforward and structured religion these individual tendencies and needs play out.

Here is the list, a small part of a larger article:

The 9th House is associated with all our attempts to create ritual and ceremony, where we develop our philosophies and where we attempt to describe the incomprehensible. Our love life begins with our deepest relationship to the Divine forces in our lives. It further expands into our relationships with our Goddess sisters, with our coven circles, with clergy within our religious organizations, and with other spiritual leaders, as well as with our peers, our students, and members of our temples and congregations. How we support or challenge our sisters, our congregations, our spiritual directors and/or our spiritual congregants has an impact upon our well-being.

For a complete picture of how you fit into your spiritual community and express your Divine Love, look at planets, transits and aspects to your 9th House. For now, take a look at your natal chart rulers for the 9th House and consider the myth of the Daughter for yourself as you read these affirmations.

ARIES in the 9th House: My life is inspired by positive thinking and high energy. Each moment is an opportunity for me to connect with the Divine. My relationship with Goddess opens me up to new and exciting possibilities. I love spiritually by example.

TAURUS in the 9th House: I have strength of purpose and determination to continue. I know the face of the Goddess on Earth. Here She touches me, sensually within all that I taste and feel with my body. I love spiritually in my body.

GEMINI in the 9th House: I am the communication bridge to others in my spiritual work. The Divine Light exists for me to play. I love spiritually through my sense of humor and appreciation for the spoken words in chants, prayer, and song.

CANCER in the 9th House: My spiritual life is one of nurturing others and myself. I have the perfect balance of strength and vulnerability. I love spiritually through the cycles of the world around me as well as those within me.

LEO in the 9th House: My spiritual love opens hearts and lights the fires of passion and joy. I shine charismatically and confidently in spiritual leadership. I love spiritually when I create an atmosphere of safety and support.

VIRGO in the 9th House: I embody pure health in all I do. My spiritual life is rich in every detail. I love spiritually in service to others and to the Goddess.

LIBRA in the 9th House: I open to receive higher thoughts and healing. My spiritual life is tranquil and peace-loving. I breathe in harmony to those around me. I love spiritually through maintaining a balance between what I give and receive.

SCORPIO in the 9th House: My feelings are my power. I am most powerful in the relationship I have with the Divine as I delve into the Mysteries of life, death, and rebirth. I love spiritually as I embrace the wisdom of the world.

SAGITTARIUS in the 9th House: I am filled with Divine inspiration and sacred energies. I love spiritually in a way that models our human connection to the angels, spirit guides, and the Creatrix. I love spiritually within every fiber of my being.

CAPRICORN in the 9th House: I am structured to provide safety and hard work where it is needed. I am trustworthy in all my dealings. I love spiritually by building the temples for the Divine energy around me.

AQUARIUS in the 9th House: My mind is meditative and peaceful when I consider all of what humanity needs and desires. I explore the Divine with original thinking. I love spiritually when change is within reach.

PISCES in the 9th House: I am the eternal mystic. I see the beauty and wonder in all things. I am most in love spiritually when my intuition is in full expression.

(sun and mercury here in 9)


(venus here in 9)


These descriptions sound about right. I've always been fond of sensual (i.e. spirituality that you can taste, touch, smell, hear, see, etc.) as well as lyrical expressions of spirituality. Orthodox Christianity has more hymn books and prayerbooks than any other religion I've ever come across. We're also big on the sight, sound, touch smell and taste as well.

I don't do astrology anymore* - so I'll go back into hiding

* St. John of Damascus did say that the planets influence our disposition, but beyond this, astrology is taboo (i.e. matchmaking, predictions, etc.). So there are some areas that I consider "safe" and will occasionally discuss. We should never, never, however, hold ourselves to our charts. I do believe just as S. Prabhupada said: "Clap your hands 3 times before the Deity and everything is changed." For a Christian, Christ changes everything and we are free and not bound to any kind of fate.

In the Iskcon college, we dealt a little with (Vedic) astrology (while debunked the supposedly modified Western method). We was told that it shows our karma, and that bhakti is independent of our karma - thus we were discouraged to interpret our charts on religious terms, to believe that we became bhaktas in such a particular way because X planet is in Y house, or that we have "karmi" tendencies for the same reason. Otherwise bhakti would have a material, and not a spiritual cause.

(BTW, my 9th house is empty, which is not a good sign for religion in Vedic astrology...)

An Aries is Pisces?

Thanks for starting this topic, wanted to do this long ago but always postponed.
Preyobrazhenya says she doesnt do Astrology anymore with good reason, she probably became another victim of the so called, "modern vedic, jyotish, Indian Astrology.
So what is modern vedic, jyotish, Indian Astrology or however
you may call it: defeated, disproved by the abiding eclat between Astronomy and Astrology?
Seemingly yes, Astronomers tried to defeat and destroy Astrology for centuries - that it is wrong because it uses a fixed zodiac, where as, they argue, in reality the zodiac is moving.
It's time that it should be proved that modernized Indian, vedic, jyotish astrology is based on a fatal mistake, to integrate Astronomy into the calculations of Astrology. Modern Vedic Astrology differs from our Western or Tropical Astrology mainly in that it uses the fixed zodiac. Vedic Astrology uses the moving
zodiac. Because of the gradual tilting of the earth in space on it's axis, they conclude, the zodiac, if you calculate it from the Sun's relationship to the Earth, appears to be moving at the rate of a little less than 1/60th of a degree per year. So, the first surprise using vedic jyotish Astrology is that you are no longer the Sun sign you always thought you were. Example, a person born in 1950 has the Sun on 15° Pisces in the Western horoscope. The Ayanamsha for 1950 is 23°10´. Deduct this from the position of the Sun (23°10´ - 15° = 8°10´ then 30° - 8°10´ = 21°50´). The Sun is now 21°50´ Aquarius. Continue calculating in this manner with the remaining planets and the Ascendant.
Now you are in for some strange surprises, it appears that someone, who thought their Sun sign was Pisces, now appears to have an Aquarian Sun! This can be a real shock. Why a shock, because for layperson it might be like that, s/he cant argue against it, feels totally helpless to defeat this wrong assumption. A practising Astrologer, however, knows by his yearlong experience of having studied the behaviour of hundreds of individuals that it is just wrong, even from common sense. The best example are charts with strong Lion influence, here three prominent people who have Ascendant Lion:


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Tina Turner

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Robbie Williams

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Now take all of these three their Ascendant according Ayanamsha calculation 23°10´ back into water sign Cancer, in no way would these individuals be prominent people and having that influence to be in public spotlight. Tina Turner's Sun even in Scorpio, who believes such nonsense? Au contraire, when you have made hundreds of birth charts you know immediately when someone drops in, that this person has a Lion Ascendant, cos s/he's loud, influential, attractive, elitist.
Therefore, all influential Western Astrologers, like Steven Arrow, totally reject all this ayanamsha stuff as cheap defeat of Astrology against its century long fight against Astronomy. Vedic, jyotish, Indian astrology therefore has nothing really to do with the original Astrology but is just the believe of Astronomy what astrology
should be: the equinoctial precession completes one round in approximately 26,000 years, so that the fixed and movable zodiacs coincide regularly after this time span. The ayanamsha reckoned on the basis of considering the year 285 AD as the year when the Sayana and the Niryana zodiacs coincided and to introduce this into Astrological calculation is nothing but speculation and not accepted by any learned Western Astrologer.

Thanks Jatayu prabhu for your example with the modern jyotish.

In truth, I always did Western Astrology with only a passing interest in the Vedic. The Vedic chart didn't seem to describe me at all. My personal problem was that I got obsessed with transits and relationship charts. The same happened with divination such as Tarot and Runes. I couldn't make a decision in life without consulting the ephermeris or the cards. That is overboard. When something causes a dependency, then it is no longer useful and that is what happened to me. As a result, I like to stay far away from ephermerides!

As far as personality goes, however, I think that there is something to it. It seems to me that when we are born we are "tuned" to a particular key. When the bodies of the heavens move, it either plays in harmony or in cacophany with our personalities and dispositions.

So it is not a concern for a learned astrologer that you look up to the Sun, for example, and it is in the Aries constellation for our eyes? Should he consider the seeming, visible position false and the position given by Western astrology true?

Well, do I seem more like a sun in Scorpio, Scorpio rising, Venus in Scorpio, Mercury in Sag in second house, Moon in Cancer in 9th, Jupiter in Libra in 12th, Mars in Aries...or like a Sag, Sag rising, Leo Moon?

You could attribute my qualities to either, as there is Fire in both charts, and even Scorpio's ruler was Mars originally.

I have the most trouble relating to Leo as part of my chart, as I only come into the spotlight because or when I am passionate about an idea. Otherwise I really dislike it, have avoided situations that would thrust me into the spotlight and am a quiet Cancer like homebody. I had the chance to sing with a band and chose not to, for instance, because I didn't want to be on stage.

So I feel most in tune with the Vedic chart, although I do relate to what it says about Leo in the 9th house in this list I posted. As long as I can "speak" through the medium of my computer, and don't have to address crowds. Yet those same qualities for Leo's spirituality could be attributed to the nurturing energy of Cancer...

Well here where I live almost all ex-Iskconites were or are into Astrology, Anantarupa even became a professional Astrologer, a real Jyotish, http://www.astromandala.at/portraet.htm
My understanding is to include previous lives into the charts interpretation.
One who started attain a material perfection in previous lives and couldnt finish it usually very clearly knows in this live what to do next, how to proceed, feels talented and has the conviction to further advance something what's already slightly prepared in the past. Such people generally dont feel that they need their birth chart explained, are determined, orientated, always have a goal. May be more for fun asking the materialists eternal fortune-teller question about: money, health, partnership.
Astrology can be helpful for people who reached the end of a skill, lets say of being something important in their previous live and have to determine a totally new direction in this live, a situation like starting from zero, like an emigrant arriving in a new destination. Generally such people feel disoriented and have no idea in which direction to proceed occupational and even feel like pulled back into the past, dreamful, running away, avoiding reality and unable to make the right decisions, may be what you mean with cacophony? When that previous cycle even ended with a real strong materialization of consciousness there can be a pause in this live like during winter when nature totally pulls back its growth as nicely decribed by Steven Arroyo in his book, Astrology, Karma and Transformation.
Concerning transits, Arroyo says important are the deeper changes in live as displayed by Neptune, Saturn, Pluto, Uranus. Indians surely spoiled a lot concerning the reputation of Astrology, they are always after money and present the whole thing like fortune-tellery, too bad. Even at siddhanta.com they complaint about USD 300 what the famous Syamasundara charges for a birth chart, Astrology for the rich what an antagonism...

I'm curious what you think of this fellow:

http://www.bejandaruwalla.com/

Back in the early 90's I interviewed this man and his wife for a research project that had nothing to do with astrology. In any case, he insisted on reading my palm and doing my chart. I can't really tell from his site which system of astrology he is using, but when he looked at my chart he used the Vedic system.

I still remember the jalapeno pepper pizza he and his wife treated me to at the local Pizza Hut. In recent years, I see that his man seems to have made it "big" in India. He was a generous man and at the same time "quite a character." It's funny seeing his big emphasis on Ganesha because he is actually a Parsee. When I met him and visited him in his temporary home in the States, there was no indication of his devotion to Ganesha at that time, so it seems that it is more recent. Also, his wife is very intelligent and works (ed?) for the US Secret Service .

Sooner or later every Indian business man pays respects to Lord Ganesh.

See if you can find an Indian restaurant anywhere without Ganesh!

Sorry for indicating that I'm effervescently indulging to judge upon others - no, live and let live and if he worships Ganesha and being a first quadrant astrologer it's ok. Since the Rupee is called by various names in the different parts of India depending on the local language, including Taka, Tanka, Rubai and Rupaye and presently worth 2 cent, why not worship Ganesha? Every year, the Rupee has been coming down by 10 per cent, and is now worth even no more than just two cents. You can't buy anything for two cents in the United States, not even a peanut and quite some Indians might complain: "..this worthless Rupee is our currency - our currency has been destroyed by free-market reforms, though there are people in the finance ministry who argue that devaluation is a good thing for the economy because it stimulates exports. All these men are from allies of the World Bank (Wolfie Wolfowitz) or IMF and receive pensions from these agencies...", another good reason to worship: Sri Ganesha

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Since the Reserve Bank of India headquarters in Mumbai, next door to Hollywood owned Bollywood and the Reserve Bank of India was set up in 1935 to protect London's financial interests another reason to worship: Sri Ganesha!
So in sum this astrologer seems to know what people need to perfect their lives, btw Pizza Hut is nice I used to go their when visiting Tel Aviv.

I guess I didn't communicate my question very well. I wasn't asking for a judgment on the man himself, but rather on the type of Astrology he does. Can you explain 1st Quadrant Astrology for me? I'm not sure what that is. And yes, he is a Parsee, as in Zoroastrian.

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It's difficult to make a remote diagnosis without having read his books or gotten the details. Usually TV Astrologers dont tell people to get off the bodily identification and wake up their sleeping souls by transcendental sound.
But may be he teaches spiritual Astrology, if you know him why you dont write him an e-mail to get the facts?

Lack of Risk Notice on Potato Chip Bags

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Pope John Paul II was a bohemian youth with long hair, and totally apolitical. Though he had close women friends, he apparently never dated or had a romance. Gregarious and charismatic, he was the male star of his theater groups and usually seen at the social mixers. An Astrologers told him, you have three major faults, one is your bullheaded obstinacy. The second is your unwillingness to deviate from your safe, predictable routine. And the third is your tendency to always insist upon realism and undervalue the imaginative, speculative, and fanciful - in other words, you lack the ability to play with ideas and possibilities, to open your mind to the new.

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The newly elected Pope of the Roman Catholic Church was appointed prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith by Pope John Paul II, made a Cardinal Bishop of the see of Velletri-Segni in 1993, and was elected Dean of the College of Cardinals in 2002, becoming titular bishop of Ostia.
He has Pisces rising, with Jupiter in the ascendant. If he has one 'born to be pope' aspect, this is the one. Jupiter is the harbinger of all things spiritual. But by anybody's measure his Jupiter is a sight to behold: exactly in the ascendant, in its ruling sign. He is extremely lucky. He would probably survive the Sun going nova.

I would look for the dispositing planet in your chart. I would rely on the Babylonian zodiac (the tropical zodiac) to identify your 9th house's sign. I would then ask, "where is the ruling planet for this sign, how is it aspected etc?" What is happening with the planet that rules your 9th house can provide a "disposited" interpretation. This is useful when there are no planets in the house under scrutiny.

BTW, I prefer the Porphry house divisions. How is you chart divided? Which tropical sign is your 9th house cusp?

One of the seven world wonder is the Temple of Artemis, Goddess of fertility. Although the foundation of the temple dates back to the seventh century BC, the structure that earned a spot in the list of Wonders was built around 550 BC. Referred to as the great marble temple, or temple D, it was sponsored by the Lydian king Croesus and was designed by the Greek architect Chersiphron. The Temple was decorated with bronze statues sculpted by the most skilled artists of their time: Pheidias, Polycleitus, Kresilas, and Phradmon.
The sculpture of goddes Artemis' decoration shows clearly the zodiac with different signs, an indication that astrology was of great importance at those time.
Coincidence? Scorpio in the middle as the most important sign of transformation?


http://www.visnumaya.info/

My 9th house, (according the Vedic method anyway) is Leo, and its ruler, Sun, is in the second house, standing together with Mercury, aspected by Jupiter from 12th.

Back in the day, I always included this type of interpretation in my readings. Most of my friends that I did readings for found that these were often the most helpful parts of the reading as this method usually provided great insight; these and explanations of major configurations like T Squares, Grand Trines, etc..

My favorite A book was "Dynamics of Aspect Analysis" by Bill Tierney.

I asked for your tropical zodiac and not your sidereal which is the so-called Vedic. I cannot accurately deduce your tropical 9th house sign placement because I do not know precisely where in "sidereal Leo" is your 9th house cusp. To be accurate I will need to know the exact degree in Leo your 9th house cusp is and what "Vedic" systenm was used to calculate it - Lahiri, Raman or whatnot. Please do not PM to me your birth details. I just need your 9th house cusp details precisely. I do not wish to interpret your horoscope publicly. I am just interested in your 9th house, seeing as you raised it here. Just for fun.

This is what astro-software does - to present isolated aspects and leaving us overtaxed to bring the whole chart into proper context. Chanahari, we need your time, place and date of birth to get your chart clarified and displayed

T'is not I who posts
software generated charts
on the net forums ..............

Do you mean chart or radix?
Is it bad to calculate the radix by software?

If I'm not mistaken, this is Homer's

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radix, Lynwood CA, Feb 25, 1953 12.30 am,
field 9 Lion, Sun in 3, Pisces, AC Sag....

For Talasiga:
I suppose that "cusp" means where my 9th house begins, which - I hope I'm right - is the place 270 degrees from my ascendant. According to a Lahiri ayanamsa, this is Leo 11 degrees and 4 minutes.

And because I'm curious to a more holistic approach too, I send my things to Jatayu, so as not to disturb others with my private data.

First I bare my sleeping soul for all to see and now my starry destiny has been laid open.

Let me see....This chart indicates to me that I have a tendency of being blunt, lazy, dreamy, and old!

My realization has been, after studying jyotish a bit, and consulting many reputable astrologers in India over the years, is that astrology is not simply an 'ology', or a mathematical or astronomical calulation. There is an element of clairvoyant ability at play in the divination of a genuine jyotish (or western astrologer) that goes beyond astronomical calculation or differences in ayanamsha or the fixed vs. moving zodiac.

A real 'astrologer' is more like a medium rather than a astronomer or mathematician whether "western" or "eastern", in my opinion.

All that understand the external mechanics of the stellar systems are not automatically 'astrologers' or 'jyotish'.

The problem is not the western vs. eastern systems, but rather in those who have knowledge, yet no mystic ability, and still calling themselves 'astrologer' or 'jyotish'.

As you may be aware "radix" is astrological jargon for "natal". The charts that you are posting are natal charts and there is no contradiction in my reference to them as charts. They are natal or radix charts. Thus, your question is non sequitur.

Yes, that is what a house cusp means. But the cusps will vary according to which house system is used. I use the Porphyry System as I said earlier for about 25 years now. I am sending you a PM.

I often heard people saying, my chart says this and that - so they didnt mean the graphic display but what it says, the interpretation. When people speak about, at least where I live, about the Radix it is just the diagramm, the pictorial representation of the mathematical calculation of the planetary position at the time of birth without any analysis. Since almost all western astrologers work successfully since centuries with the fixed zodiac and Indians with the highly controversial moving zodiac there is no mentioning of terms like "natal" in western standard works of astrology. What I mean it is questionable to use a software generated astrological analysis but widely spread to use a software generated Radix.

An analysis is not a chart. The chart is that diagram with the radix points which is commonly, and correctly, referred to as the natal chart or the natal horoscope.

Jatayu, I have a long running interest and involvement in astrology and I am always attracted to topics about it. Unfortunatelely, I am appalled by your non-sequitur comments. Of course, I am not going to start a topic about having you banned as someone did about "Authority".

I am going to leave this topic for a while. In the meantime I will leave it to readers to avail themselves of any number of bookshops and libraries which have a good range of astrology books and decide for themselves about the common and correct usage of "natal" in those books.

I wonder who this lowly snake is? I mean non-sequitur comments are so trailer parkish!

Thanks Chanahari!

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Chanahari's birthchart

A birthchart is normally full with so many details and to make it useful the essence has to worked out.
But what is important today in ones specific situation? Presently transit Neptune conjuncts with the Sun in this birthchart and Uranus conjuncts with Venus in the birthchart, transit Pluto runs through field 12 and transit Saturn opposes Mercury. Together it might ask, in which direction to move next?
Although this chart is well earthed with Ascendant, Moon and Mercury in Capricorn and Capricorn being the very sign of perfectly dealing, managing people - also in worldly sense - we find Mars in Pisces, Venus in Pisces and the ruler of 3, Neptune in 12, clearly pointing into a theological direction. Ruler of the whole chart Saturn ( AC Capricorn ) in 9, and 9 being the field of higher studies, philosophy, religion and travel conjuncts with MC, and Saturn being the sign of profession - a strong indicator to study theology, comparative religion, theological philosophy. Pluto in 9, some founders of new religions had this constellation together with Sun in 2 (same as this chart), connecting spirituality with this world.
Additionally this chart has the lucky Jupiter/Uranus in 11 and 11 being the field of moving into public spotlight. Of course going into worldly, mundane professions is always possible but this chart will surely drag towards search for spiritual content. Since this birthchart has no squares and everything seems peaceful, one has to be pushed a little towards ones luck.

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Present transits over Chanahari's birthchart, forgot, Jupiter presently transits your field 9, good time for travel. Excuse my linguistic weakness, english isnt my first language although I try best, probably what caused Talasiga's outburst

http://www.astrologyforthesoul.com/

Thank you to you too, Jatayu. My English is even weaker than yours, so no problem with it either.

In the extreme case of Authority, I certainly understand why a topic was generated. In fact, two topics were generated in response to him as he was well known to members from Istagosthi who had already tolerated him for some time.

Normally we ask people to simply report offensive posts via the report button or private message. If we get more than one about the same topic or post, we will be likely to give them more weight.

Back to your regularly scheduled topic--

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The eagle on the Great Seal of the U.S. is believed to represent Scorpio
http://watch.pair.com/scorpio.html

"Scorpio can choose to use his phenomenal assets for good or evil. Many of the greatest saints and worst villains in the world have been Scorpios. It is the sign of transformation, and is the only sign that has several symbols; he starts out as the angry Scorpion, spreading his venom, and is then reborn into the introspective Serpent, the soaring Eagle of Victory, and finally, the white Dove of Peace. In the case of Scorpio, because it is the sign of transformation, death and rebirth, it rules inheritance and mutual resources -- that is, other people's money. A sort of horrible glamour is possessed by "double Scorpios" -- someone born in the sign of the scorpion with Scorpio also as their ascendant.

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Scorpio, sign of transformation

Blavatsky, H.P. THE SECRET DOCTRINE: THE SYNTHESIS Of SCIENCE, RELIGION, AND PHILOSOPHY:

According to Blavatsky, the fall of the heavenly Adam-Kadmon, the angelic androgyne, into dense matter and its division into sexes resulted in the transformation of the world from a formerly spiritual and ethereal state into its present material condition. This cataclysmic fall of the first Adam into matter was reflected in the heavens by a change in the sign Virgo-Scorpio; "the pure Virgo is separated, and falling 'into generation,' or the downward cycle, becomes Scorpio emblem of sin and matter." Scorpio, however, states Fred Gettings in The Secret Zodiac, still retains a dual image—the eagle and scorpion—a duality which represents the two natures of man:

"The eagle of St John is the eagle of Scorpio, which sign (alone of all the twelve) has two images, the eagle the symbol of the redeemed and spiritualized Scorpionic nature, the scorpion its fallen, unredeemed and earth-bound nature."

Apparently because of its primordial role as the consort of Virgo, the Great Mother Goddess and archetype before Isis, the astrological sign of Scorpio will preside over the restoration of mankind to its previous spiritual state. Occult sources seem to agree on this, that a 'transformation' of the whole wide world—a release from entrapment in matter—will occur during the sign of Scorpio:

"It is through the gateway of Scorpio, aided by the Lords of Form, that humanity will come to its final conclusion in the Old Earth and move through the door of the temple into the Grand Way of the New Earth Star. When the earth is under the Zodiacal influence of Scorpio the Zodiacal threshold which emanates through that sign into the earth triggers a series of celestial programs of return, facilitating the earth in 'dropping the frame' as the ancients used to say. This allows the earth to move into a new and more etherealized formation. In time, this will result in the earth's ascension into the New Earth Star."

Attunement to the Zodiacal Initiation of Scorpio:
The emblem of the tribe of Dan was the serpent, in fulfillment of Jacob's prophecy in Genesis: "Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward." However, the prince of the tribe of Dan replaced the serpent with an eagle.

"To Dan was given the symbol of Scorpio, which, in the ancient Egyptian zodiac was a snake. However, when the time came to hoist the symbol of the snake, Ahiezer refused and chose instead the symbol of an eagle. According to Unger's Bible Dictionary:

'Dan's position in the journey was on the north of the Tabernacle, with Asher and Naphtali. The standard of the tribe was of white and red, and the crest upon it, an eagle, the great foe to serpents, which had been chosen by the leader instead of a serpent, because Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent. Ahiezer substituted the eagle, the destroyer of serpents, as he shrank from carrying an adder upon his flag. It may prove worthwhile to consider the possible connection to the tribe of Dan whenever an eagle is used as the symbol of subsequent leaders or nations.'

In the 12th century, a Jewish writer in Spain whose works influenced the Kabbalah, named Antares, the brightest star in Scorpio, "Kesil" or "Akrabh" the crowned serpent. By this designation, Aben Ezra indicated that Jews understood the serpent to be the actual emblem of Dan.

"Sir William Drummond asserted that in the zodiac which the patriarch Abraham knew [Scorpio] was an eagle...

"Aben Ezra identified Scorpio or Antares, with the Kesil; although that people generally considered these stars as a Scorpion, their Akrabh, and, it is claimed, inscribed it on the banners of Dan as the emblem of the tribe whose founder was 'a serpent by the way.' When thus shown it was a crowned snake or Basilisk."
The eagle on the Great Seal of the U.S. dollar, which is believed to represent Scorpio, is an indication that this sign will inaugurate the Masonic New World Order:

"The final Great Seal [of the United States] is also full of arcane symbolism.

"The bald eagle is said to represent Scorpio, who is associated with death and rebirth...

"In addition the Great Seal contains the words Novus Ordo Seclorum, meaning 'the new order of the ages'. This phrase too is taken from Virgil, and in modern times the New World Order has ominous meanings, although its Masonic meaning was a breakaway from the religious intolerance of Europe."

The sign of Scorpio, which epitomizes the evil agency of Orion/Nimrod's demise, has persisted in confounding the Babylonian enterprise—the Tower of Babel—in much the same way that Scorpio bites Orion. This adversarial state of affairs characterizes any number of fabled conflicts between heroes and various reptilian beasts in ancient and classical mythology. Whatever opposes the worship of Lucifer may expect to be portrayed as a serpent, dragon, scorpion, etc. On another level, the scorpion represents human nature and the religious systems that stand in the way of its spiritual transformation via gnosis:

Liz Greene, in her book, The Astrology of Fate...equates Scorpio with the archetypical theme of the hero facing the dragon. Examples of this theme include the stories of Heracles battling the Hydra, Siegfried and the dragon Fafnir, and even Perseus and the Gorgon Medusa. The reptilian dragon represents instinctual side of human nature in its terrifying and destructive power.

"In keeping with this typically Tantric symbolism, the Gheranda-Samhitâ specifies that the yogin engaged in this esoteric practice should besmear his body with ashes, which is an outward sign of his internal renunciation of all worldly things and desires. The adept who seeks to arouse the kundalinî must be prepared to die, because this process quite literally anticipates the death process. As the serpent power rises along the central passage, the yogin's microcosm is gradually dissolved."

The triumphant woman who holds the therapeutic serpent of wisdom and healing is a figure similar to the constellation which is above Scorpio —Ophiuchus, the Serpent Holder, also called Serpentarius. In the astrological traditions, Ophiuchus tramples on Scorpio and, having received the elixir of life from the Serpent, restores Orion to life."

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Russian Astrologist Plans to Crash NASA’s Independence Day
Created: 19.04.2005 16:34 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 12:21 MSK

by Anna Arutunyan

MosNews
http://www.mosnews.com/feature/2005/04/19/deepimpact.shtml

Remember Deep Impact — that global disaster movie from the 1990’s when the world’s finest astronauts embarked on a suicide mission to save mankind from a comet heading straight for Earth? Now, imagine if the producers introduced a new twist to the plot: besides the comet, NASA is pitted against a Russian astrologist who sues the space agency because destroying a comet would irrevocably harm her “system of spiritual values”.

Well, we’re not in the direct trajectory of a comet (not yet anyway), but a Deep Impact mission is underway, with a NASA spacecraft scheduled to collide with the Tempel-1 comet on July 4, perhaps blasting it to smithereens. That’s right, it’s Independence Day.

Now, the last thing NASA expected was a lawsuit from Russia.

But Russian astrologist Marina Bai gave it a try, and, according to her lawyer Alexander Molokhov, it looks like she may just pull it off. In a lawsuit she filed last month with the Presnensky district court in Moscow, Bai is demanding that NASA call off its $311 million operation, with the spacecraft already in its cruise phase. She also wants 8.7 billion rubles (the ruble equivalent of the entire cost of the mission) in compensation for moral damages.

“The actions of NASA infringe upon my system of spiritual and life values, in particular on the values of every element of creation, upon the unacceptability of barbarically interfering with the natural life of the universe, and the violation of the natural balance of the Universe,” Bai said in her claim.

NASA successfully launched its Deep Impact spacecraft — comprised of a “fly-by” spacecraft and a smaller “impactor” carrying some 350 kilograms of copper — on Jan. 12 with the aim of studying the nature of comets. The spacecraft’s “impactor” is expected to form a large crater enabling scientists to look inside the comet. The scientific objectives of the mission, according to NASA, seem innocent enough: just measure the crater and examine the composition of its interior. But then again, there’s always a larger agenda lurking in the background — what would we do in the unlikely even of an emergency?

Bai is not the only astrologist worried about messing with the Universe.

“Imagine leaving Moscow, then returning to find everything’s changed,” says Vladimir Portnov, a physicist and a professional astrologist. “Of course, everyday people will feel the implications of destroying a comet.”

According to Portnov, even something as “minor” as comets play a role in creating humanity’s psychic environment. By wantonly destroying a comet, NASA will inevitably disrupt that environment — with the most likely result being mass anxiety.

But can anyone stop NASA on these grounds? Bai’s initial lawsuit was dismissed by the Presnensky court, but the Moscow City Court took up the appeal and will rule following a hearing scheduled for May 6. And lawyer Alexander Molokhov is convinced the case will move further.

“I have no doubt that the Moscow City Court will cancel the [previous dismissal],” Molokhov told MosNews.

According to Russian law, a Russian citizen can file a claim with a Russian court against a foreign organization that has representation in Russia. And NASA, with an office in Moscow, is certainly eligible as a plaintiff. “If a Houston court can examine a case involving a Russian company [Yukos — MosNews], why can’t a Russian file a claim against an American agency with a Russian court?”

But is there any chance in calling off the mission and getting a hefty $311 million? Molokhov hopes the case will resonate widely in the media. “There is a law against actions that can lead to damage or death,” and in Russia, the case is being filed on those grounds. Also, Molokhov plans to take the claim to the United States. In fact, he says, there are a number of scientists there who would be glad to sue NASA.

Indeed, the consequences of destroying a comet may include anything from an asteroid shower to disruption to radio waves.

“I am not a scientist,” Molokhov says, “but experts say the impact could disrupt the comet’s plasma trail, which could have an effect on satellite communications.”

So, what does NASA think of the challenge? So far, Molokhov says that the NASA Moscow Liaison Office has made no statements whatsoever regarding Bai’s claim.

Meanwhile, Dolores Beasley, at the Deep Impact mission headquarters in Washington, was very surprised to hear of the case. In a phone call, she said she was not aware of any claims against NASA originating in the States, and that generally the mission was “very popular”.

The Russian Space Agency, meanwhile, has also kept quiet about the mission. A man who answered at the press office said he was “not competent to answer any questions” regarding his agency’s position over the NASA mission. Molokhov said that isn’t surprising — the agency gets some financing from NASA and is not keen on criticism.

Expert opinion ranges from comments saying the mission is an innocent endeavor, to outright lambasting. “I think such vandalism cannot be justified even in the case of the asteroid-comet danger that people talk so much about,” Nikolai Bochkarev of the Russian Academy for Natural Science told the Itogi magazine.

So, what would an astrologist say about destroying a comet to save humanity?

“I think it’s acceptable to try,” Vladimir Portnov says. Then he smiles: “But I think it’s impossible

Never knew till today that Adam was first married with - Lilith - but she fled from him when Eve was created. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lilith

Meaning of Lilith - Black Moon - in Astrology

http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/040331.html

Astrologers traditionally identify the Black Moon and empty focus with the legendary Lilith of Jewish and Babylonian folklore. But the Black Moon and the archetype "Lilith" are not the same thing. Lilith extends beyond the lunar realm and transcends it; it can manifest in different astrological factors, planets or asteroids, although, like Pluto in its association with Scorpio, it normally remains "chained" to the lunar realm.

Each astrological factor has its own scope, it belongs to its own sphere or realm. The "emancipation" of Lilith, symbolically, is Lilith being liberated from the realm of the Black Moon, which is its cage.

The traditional, habitual emphasis on the "lilithian" associations of the Black Moon has prevented astrologers from developing the social and collective meaning of this point, so accurately described by Jung's "Great Mother" archetype: our ancestral and primal relationship with "Mother Earth".

The Black Moon represents the black virgins of ancestral folklore, it is the primitive mass consciousness, the mass movements that stem from one's primordial, telluric relationship with the nurturing and venerable "dark earth", as well as with our ancestral mythical past.

Sociologically, it speaks of our primitive relationship to the earth; it represents the peasants, the poor, the masses anchored to their past and depending directly on what the earth can give them. It is our desire to re-establish the primitive ecological landscape, the foundational or mythical "dreamtime" of the womb or of a collective, ancestral past. It is the animistic, magical jungle where we re-unite with the womb, returning to the bosom of "Mother Earth".

[NOTE: for an exploration of this sociological aspect of the Black Moon, see the author's notes on "The Second Vatican Council"
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/posts/mundane/vatican.html]

Specific Example

One of the best illustrations of this (conflicting) dimension of the Black Moon can be seen in the personality and struggle of the Mexican revolutionary Emiliano Zapata (b. Aug 8 1879 / d. April 10 1919: Sun in exact square with the Apogee/Perigee axis at birth, Sun in conjunction with the Apogee at death), particularly in the last period before he was assassinated. Consider the following paragraph written by Alfredo Krauze in Biografía del Poder: Emiliano Zapata (Mexico, FCE, 1987):
“Zapata doesn't come out of his land because he doesn't know and fears ‘the other’: the central power is always perceived as an intruder, as ‘a prying nest of traitors and the greedy.’ His vision is not active or willed, like that of all religions marked by the father, but passive and animistic, marked by the mother. His war of resistance exhausts itself. During the truce of 1915, instead of gaining strength outwards, he goes inward in a search of the lost order, to the point of wanting to rebuild it with the memory of the elders. It is not a productive map what he is after, it is the bosom of Mother Earth and its constellation of symbols.”

This aspect of the Black Moon explained here was brilliantly presented in the film "Viva Zapata" (1952) of Elia Kazan (b. 7 Sept 1909, Sun=14 Virgo, True Black Moon=14 Virgo)



Lilith - Adam's first wife
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mlilith.html

When God created Adam, he was lonely, so God created Lilith from the same dust from which Adam was molded. But they quarrelled; Adam [the proverbial domineering male] wished to rule over Lilith. But Lilith [a militant feminist] was also proud and willful, claiming equality with Adam because she was created from the same dust. She left Adam and fled the Garden. God sent three angels in pursuit of Lilith. They caught her and ordered her to return to Adam. She refused, and said that she would henceforth weaken and kill little children, infants and babes. The angels overpowered her, and she promised that if the mother hung an amulet over the baby bearing the names of the three angels, she would stay away from that home. So they let her go, and God created Eve to be Adam's mate [created from Adam's rib, so that she couldn't claim equality]. And ever since, Lilith
flies around the world, howling her hatred of mankind through the night, and vowing vengeance because of the shabby treatment she had received from Adam. She is also called "The Howling One."

Jonny rama, thanks for Your feedback and interest in Astrology. Astrology mainly explains inner processes of transformation and therefore there are no good or bad charts - just like in the higher sense there is no such thing as good or bad seasons but all have the exact same importance to make nature flourish perpetually. Your chart would easily be interpreted by bodily focused Astrologers, like, "dear mr.client, your Sun in Libra, Moon in Gemini, You have an aptitude for establishing relationships with others, but you do not necessarily cement these friendships with loyalty. You are a good talker, but you do tend to chatter. When crossed, you can be traitorous and may even turn informer. In love, too, you are changeable and irresolute, bestowing your affection on one lover, then shifting to another and another. Alert to new developments, you rapidly lose interest in the old, even that which was new only yesterday. You excel in mental work, working with ideas that you grasp and reject, or comprehend, possess, and abandon. The overall picture is one of a versatile, communicative personality, who excels in speaking and writing, but who is rather undependable, etc etc....."

However, many prominent reincarnation Astrologers like Steven Arroyo would call this rascaldom, misleading, dangerous, damaging the real meaning of Astrology.

Your chart rather shows a lot spiritual activities being performed in past lives, Sun conjucts Neptune, Mars in pisces in 10, Venus conjucts Jupiter, Moon in 12 - in sum this constellation should never work for a hellbent materialistic society but contrariwise, in order to get uplifted, present society should be used to fully support your material situation. This is/was the system in many old traditions like Tibet, Hinduism, Egypt, Babylonia.


Jonny rama's transits over birth chart, July 2005

In order to help present society to get uplifted from its path of degeneration, you should "exploit" all resources being offered by the State and simultaneously advance your own spiritual path - keep your spiritual body growing by hearing&chanting of spiritual sound, Hare, Krishna&Rama
Your question - since your Venus conjucts Jupiter and your Sun in field 5, best place for being creative, your painting/art is surely reaching peoples heart, maybe not necessarily rewarded with big material result, but healing their souls - ruler of 2 in 12. Healing in that sense to help people to go on with their materialistic bodily living will entangle you in that specific karma/bondage and should be done only if people actually pay for this service. Present transits of Saturn, Pluto and Uranus teaches us to take responsibility for ourselves, frees us from thinking inside the box, and offers us opportunities for reaching out and trying something new.


Jonny rama's birth chart

Pluto acts to strip away what is unnecessary or superficial in our lives. Pluto wants us to go through deep experience of the transformational kind. Things that are not working for us, whether they are thought processes or lifestyles, undergo a transformation. Pluto transit in your field 7 brings about rebirth of sort your relationships to dear ones. Pluto transits are about letting go of things that are holding us back from spiritual growth.

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Thank you, Jatayu. Your comments are very useful.

Spiritual seekers generally have a strong Neptune influence. Neptune dissolves the here-and-now perception, dissolves roots, makes communication hazy, invites rosy colored views, or puts a veil over one's identity, or makes one seek such partners or institutions that provide these kind of experiences. Delusion is a general term for it, often also associated with drugs or, in internal physiological terms, the endocrinal output system. That's why drugs and spirituality are astrologically connected. Spirituality can be used as a kind of drug, to distract from the here-and-now reality into a hazy paradise-like projection. instead of attending to the moment and what is, energy is directed towards a beyond and what should be. All this new-age stuff has a lot to do with Neptune, while the desire for transformation can be seen as linked with Uranus and Pluto.

Neptune's energy is a gift as well as an obstacle, depending upon the perspective.
Neptune governs institutions at the fringe of society, like hospitals, prisons, monasteries. Neptune is the force for transcendence, while Uranus de-polarizes from the duality of the world, gives distance to the immediacy of the dual reality. Generally, a cool or cold distance from reality is a sign for the aquarian energy, and is a prerequirement for the realisation of transcendence in principle, but not in everyone's realization. The Yogi in the Himalayas would be an example of Uranus, while the Bhakta in his excitement of devotion is more Neptunian. The combination of both would give the babaji who leaves society to engage solely in his bhajan.

That's interesting, Nabadwip. I've always had this attraction for Neptune.
I've got several pairs of rose colored glasses in my accessory kit.

From my experience astrology and other tools for insight are useful in as far as they work for me. What do I get out of a reading, what does it clarify for me? these are the questions I associate with any information that's supposed to be helpful. If I get an information that limits me, makes me anxious or nervous, then that's not helpful, especially since it does not create insight into the functioning of my apparatus so to speak. that's why I do not care for info about what's supposed to happen to me when and how. that is not useful information. But if something brings me a little closer to the understanding of my subtle functionings, then that is worthwhile. For that I find astrology to be a worthy tool. A horoscope contains all the options of life available to a human being, in all its colors and shades, while the planets and house-distributions mark specific fields that are highlighted in this one life-time. the places that are empty are also eloquent, because that is also part of my life, but less active so. Perhaps that's where I can't get a good access to and have to put in more conscious effort.

I found it interesting to work with my elements, to see which are my strengths and weaknesses. I found it rewarding to see that a lack of a certain element could be substituted by a conscious projection of those qualities implied. What's lacking in me in terms of an element, means that it does not come easily but needs some work to be present too. Another thing is to grow into sensing one's own planets in the elements, and thus being able to differentiate and see one's limitations and advantages in particular situations.

All of this went along with reading different astrologers and their views on different topics. That's really the advantage of Western astrology which is experience-based, versus the dogmatic shastra-based Indian astrology. Indian astrology is no psychological astrology, but an event oriented technique. Indians are not known as great psychologists, quite the contrary, that's why you can't expect that kind of insight from them. But indeed, once in a while you find an individual with some helpful input too, even though they have no idea of process-oriented readings. But their advice seems to work in rough compatibility calculations, which again supposes an unchanging state of being and relating, as is common with Indians and their fixed tradition-orientation. It is quite clear that that does not work for Westerners in the long run. On the other hand, also the western humanistic process-orientation does not work well with Indians in general, as long as they are not growth-oriented in their life-styles. How that applies to western people stuck in Indian export-ideologies, that's open to discussion.

Astrology becomes confusing when presented in the material sense.
Basicly you're being told - this aspect is good to increase your material attachment and that part of your chart is bad to increase your materialism.
From the spiritual point of view Mr. Smith's chart might say he very easily can attain love of God in this live, another astrologer says, forget it, with this chart you will suffer poverty till the end and even your relatives will try to avoid you.
And this will be outlined as the "weakness" of your birth chart.
There was a visit of Dr. Kamlesh, who studied Ayurveda at the Nagajun Ayurvedic College, Lucknow and received the degree of Ayurveda Acharya (ayurvedic physician) at the All India Ayurveda Educational Institute. Dr. Kamlesh comes from a traditional ayurvedic family, now practising ayurveda for seven generations. He received a thorough training in how to determine health conditions through pulse, facial and palm characterisitics from his father, the late Dr. Kamlesh has been teaching and lecturing on ayurvedic nutrition world wide for over 20 years and who does also vedic Astrology. A man, I personally witnessed, he told: "You never get rich"! In other words, your chart doesnt allow you to properly increase material attachment, you rather become attached to your suffering, try to avoid this. So this is confusing. I met that person 3 years later, he said he feels that he totally lost his self-confidence after meeting this ayurveda acarya.
If we allow our consciousness to overflowingly materialize in this live - nature will force us to detach our consciousness in the next live. This back and forth is seen in the four seasons and is natural:
"O son of Kunti, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed."(BG Ch.2)

Our rich and lusty fellow men are reborn in African slums and try to come back to where they have been in their past live to have sex with women who were men in their past live. Astrology without God consciousness will simply keep you on the material level, just like energetic astrology: transformation is bhogus since everything finally dissolves into nothing, just detach and wait. Especially on TV and Radio Astrology they present this non-transformation stuff, misleading people into the victim state - be cool finally everything dissolves, our individuality is an illusion.



Contrariwise, greatest attention has to be given in charts with Scorpio influence, these probands have a lot potential but have to start a new carrier from zero in this live. If they dont get qualified support they easily may make a serie of false steps and end up wasting this live.


Hari's birth chart:
With the sign Pisces influencing the second house, you tend to be lax and impractical when it comes to personal financial affairs. You'll spend your money on dreams and schemes, but then become emotionally upset and disturbed when the books don't balance. You have, nonetheless, a very generous spirit. While you have a definite appreciation for the better things in life, you could never be considered greedy or even materialistic. You should scrutinize financial documents and contracts carefully before you sign, for you have a tendency to be a little careless in this regard. On the more positive side, Pisces on the cusp of the second lends a sense of timing and intuition that may be an asset financially.


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The Lunar Nodes in Natal Astrology
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticl...tlunarnodes.php

Indian astrologers, or let me say Indians altogether (including those who adopted a Pseudo-Indian ego, like devotee-astrologers), cannot tune into the life of a Westerner. Advice from Indians in any field is bound to be disastrous or irrelevant. For curiosity's sake, with a critical distance, it may be viable.

I had long talks with Mishraji of R.K. Studio in Vrindavan, who did the charts of many Westerners there. Well, as you may guess, he did all the talking, and when I mentioned to him that he must have a strong Gemini, he was surprised and asked me how I knew that (he had a Gemini Sun; I also saw it in his ever-youthful looking face). This is typical, all the shastra knowledge is there, but little real observation. Which is also clear why. Indians are not as much individualized as Westerners are, they behave much according to cultural and jati stereotypes, their characteristics are more defined in terms of social placement rather than individual development. Observation of Indians by other Indians leads to different conclusions, than with Westerners.

An astrologer's information: "you will never get rich", would not disturb an Indian person, because he is set in a structure of his clan and does not have much option for individual upward mobility. The same thing said to a Westerner, plus with the usual arrogance and assumption of Indians talking, can indeed create insecurity in someone who takes it seriously.

Same thing is true with Ayurveda doctors.



Do you want to know what you learn at an Ayurveda college? A guy sits there in front and reads his manuscript infront of a mass of students who have the same manuscript infront of them reading along or they are writing down what they get dictated. "Which class are you reading" is the question Indians use to determine to which class someone belongs. Reading and learning by heart is all they do anywhere in India. That term Ayurveda Acharya does not mean anything. It's just a paper that he can stick up his wall. Also the claim with the 7 generations is pretty empty stuff. and forget about the thorough training. all he got at best, and that is really the best he could get, was nadi-reading, to read the pulse of patients at the side of his father. That's generally what they do. But that thorough examination takes only a half to one minute. The drawback here is, that the son learns the same stereotypes as the father practises them. That has some positive and some negative consequences.

There are a number of different pulses to distinguish, and in that they do develop a certain mastery. But the rest is all bluff. they say they can do different readings and all, but they never do it, because as Indians they are simply lazy and arrogant, and if you have a sincere inquiry into one of their approaches, they feel humiliated and not respected as the big gurus they are. It's all the same bullshit everywhere with Indians, even in allopathy it's the same. Everything is always "no problem", and everyone can cure everyone else, while in fact their remedies have just mediocre results as everywhere else too.



these are just empty words as well. teaching and lecturing on Nutrition, and this worldwide: first of all he was not doing it worldwide, but he was doing it in a small place perhaps somewhere in a London suburb in front of 20 or 30 people, introducing them to the basic concepts of Ayurveda, and he did the same at different places, and the result is that he can boast of "teaching worldwide". and lecturing on nutrition, at best he spoke of the different doshas and which food strenthened or weakened which dosha. do you know what i mean? I have heard a dozen of these people, famous and less famous ones, present their wisdom, it is always the same stuff, helpful in some respects, but useless in others.

I feel sorry for the poor people who get mislead by these guys.

Well, don't you think you are assuming too much here? Wasting one's life, what does that mean? According to Jiva Goswami we are transmigrating in this world from eternity to eternity. What then would wasting one's life mean in such context?
Also what would it mean in the context of the person's horoscope? If he has indeed the inclination to act in the way you read it, he is really doing what he is supposed to be doing, at least what is within his reach.

In my oppinion, the words "wasting one's life" include an inappropriate judgement about the nature and meaning of life. It all depends upon the criteria one implies.

One form of life or consciousness is eliminated in order to make room for the new, emerging form. A classic analogy is the transformation of caterpillar to butterfly. This is may be the most complete transformation that most of us are familiar with in the natural world. Only those who are balanced, who are in the consciousness of the heart will be able to pass into the chambers of initiation, the others will be eaten by the "crocodiles" (Egypt Mythology). House eight is the door keeper of the sacred Sarkophagus for the final transformation in Scorpio that will be the next step in our evolution of consciousness.

And, need I assume, you are one of them?

No,no,no! Not one of them, just servant - little humble servant.
There're so many nice Vaishnavas out there - but in terrible precarious condition, really sad. Like since months at gaudiyadiscussions.com - very similiar name "nabadip". This Vaishnava feels so brain dead, all day since years he can only do one thing - pushing the paste&copy button of his pc machine. No comments, no exchange - just pushing buttons all day like some robot - seems this boy has no friends, no occupation, no family - just creepily, poor fellow.
Just one example:
http://www.gaudiyadiscussions.com/index.ph...wtopic=3708&hl=

We have to try to sent out some little message to wake up such suffering Vaishnavas, show compassion - and pump some live in their veins - stop your caterpillar dullness, there's more - dont think of dieing at the age of only 40!
Look at his pic - how to make this person laugh, some idea?

By telling some avadhuta pastimes of Lord Gauranga perhaps? Only this person on the photo is not our Nabadip... (read the bio info under the pic!)

Oh, nice - finally somebody else interested in Astrology! Welcome at this forum Dhyana!
Thanks, yes, I read the bios..
Hope I didnt scare away Nabadip.