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Nitaibhangra
I am posting this topic on request by my girlfriend .

She is desperate , and needs powerful tools to combat the maleficious spells ( "trabajos" , "entierros" ) that are used against her .

For my part , I have given her the maha-mantra and the Nrisimha-mantra ( Om hrim kshraum ... ) , read some parts of the Hanuman Chalisa with her as well as some different prayers to Nrisimhadeva .

However , the first two mantras are the only ones that worked for her .

In fact , they are by far the most effective tools for getting a little relief against the attacks that she is exposed to .

Yes , she has tried some other things :
Prayers to catholic saints , baths with white flowers , cleansing the house with cascarilla , going to the river to render hommage to Ochún , visualizations , applying crystals to the body for repulsing the negative ( the crystals turned black ... ) , going to bible readings ...

But none of that is as effective as the two mantras .

She could memorize the mahamantra easily , but not the Narasimha-mantra .
Well , I have written it for her several times on different papers and in her calendar , and sent it to her by sms , but often they have been lost mysteriously ...

Well , we are struggling , as you see ...

What she wants is to put an end to all of this , not only a temporary relief , but she doesnīt know how to do it , neither do I ...
Open Mind
I would recommend her to find out who and why is using black magic against her. There must be a cause, a cause of the hatred against her that inspired someone to apply harmful methods. There was a time when I also thought I was under a curse by some malicious person. First I tried to apply different methods to no avail. So I simply released the whole situation. I have received wrathful sadhanas for sending back all negativity to its source but I stopped doing these. It would just push me into a never-ending fight. Now they curse me, I send them back, so they get more angry, use more powerful methods, etc. If somebody actually can harm you in any way, that must have a deep karmic cause, otherwise they can voodoo their asses off without success. First step is to forgive those who hate you, to feel compassion for that deeply ignorant person who is just sowing the seeds of enormous suffering for himself or herself. Black magic always turns against its user, and these people will curse the day when they applied these harmful methods against others. They will be devoured by their own hatred, and the powers they invoked will become their worst nightmares.
babu
modern psychiatry has been forced to invent drugs to combat the use of black magic with all the patients coming to them complaining of being attacked... risperdal, zyprexa
Kula-pavana
QUOTE (Nitaicandra @ Mar 31 2006, 09:01 AM)
I am posting this topic on request by my girlfriend .

She is desperate , and needs powerful tools to combat the maleficious spells ( "trabajos" ,  "entierros" ) that are used against her .
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how does she know these are the spells that are used against her? is she being attacked by the ghosts inside? or are the ghosts actually causing mishaps in her physical life?

the first case is much easier to counteract and the mantras you gave her will work just fine. in the second case you are dealing with a very powerfull sorcerer and perhaps you may want to settle with him or her. only full surrender to God can protect from this type of magic.

also, protect your dwelling with yantras, mantras, Tulasi and Ganges water. Tulasi plants are very powerfull. If you want, I can send you some seeds. There are easy to grow. Your girlfriend can serve Tulasi even just by caring for Her. that should help too.

maybe you are part of the story too. maybe the reasons for this situation have something to do with you as well.

anyway... good luck! feel free to contact me if you like
Sam
What are her symptoms?
Nitaibhangra
Thank you very much to all for your responses .
I`m short on time now , but I will try to adress quickly each of the posts .
Later , with more time on my hands I will get more into detail .
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Open Mind @ Mar 31 2006, 01:08 PM)
I would recommend her to find out who and why is using black magic against her. There must be a cause, a cause of the hatred against her that inspired someone to apply harmful methods. There was a time when I also thought I was under a curse by some malicious person. First I tried to apply different methods to no avail. So I simply released the whole situation. I have received wrathful sadhanas for sending back all negativity to its source but I stopped doing these. It would just push me into a never-ending fight. Now they curse me, I send them back, so they get more angry, use more powerful methods, etc. If somebody actually can harm you in any way, that must have a deep karmic cause, otherwise they can voodoo their asses off without success. First step is to forgive those who hate you, to feel compassion for that deeply ignorant person who is just sowing the seeds of enormous suffering for himself or herself. Black magic always turns against its user, and these people will curse the day when they applied these harmful methods against others. They will be devoured by their own hatred, and the powers they invoked will become their worst nightmares.
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She knows already one of the persons .
But there are more involved , and we are trying to figure out .

With the known person , the cause is artistic envy .
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (babu @ Mar 31 2006, 01:55 PM)
modern psychiatry has been forced to invent drugs to combat the use of black magic with all the patients coming to them complaining of being attacked... risperdal, zyprexa
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Yes , it is true .
My girlfriend , did receive some medicaments , in back times , when the same thing as now happened ; but these substances only made her very weak , in the mental sense . So it sucked away the spiritual force to combat the negative influences on the mental level .
So , instead of helping , it was only getting worse ...
Sam
QUOTE (Nitaicandra @ Mar 31 2006, 10:09 PM)
QUOTE (babu @ Mar 31 2006, 01:55 PM)
modern psychiatry has been forced to invent drugs to combat the use of black magic with all the patients coming to them complaining of being attacked... risperdal, zyprexa
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Yes , it is true .
My girlfriend , did receive some medicaments , in back times , when the same thing as now happened ; but these substances only made her very weak , in the mental sense . So it sucked away the spiritual force to combat the negative influences on the mental level .
So , instead of helping , it was only getting worse ...
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Antidepressants are not effective alone, they need to combined with therapy.
Sam
Nurse Sam uvaca.
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Sam @ Mar 31 2006, 08:25 PM)
What are her symptoms?
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Well , some years ago she was diagnosed with cancer . But at that time the indian shamans in her native Colombia counteracted the black magic with their own rituals , and she renounced music at that time ( a vow that was recommended to her ), and the symptoms of cancer disappeared miraculously . The doctor could not explain it scientifically ...

Now she is plagued by similar symptoms again ...
The sensation that something is stabbing into her her stomach , and the pain of feeling the sensation of being stabbed in other parts of the body .
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Kula-pavana @ Mar 31 2006, 02:16 PM)
QUOTE (Nitaicandra @ Mar 31 2006, 09:01 AM)
I am posting this topic on request by my girlfriend .

She is desperate , and needs powerful tools to combat the maleficious spells ( "trabajos" ,  "entierros" ) that are used against her .
*


how does she know these are the spells that are used against her? is she being attacked by the ghosts inside? or are the ghosts actually causing mishaps in her physical life?

the first case is much easier to counteract and the mantras you gave her will work just fine. in the second case you are dealing with a very powerfull sorcerer and perhaps you may want to settle with him or her. only full surrender to God can protect from this type of magic.

also, protect your dwelling with yantras, mantras, Tulasi and Ganges water. Tulasi plants are very powerfull. If you want, I can send you some seeds. There are easy to grow. Your girlfriend can serve Tulasi even just by caring for Her. that should help too.

maybe you are part of the story too. maybe the reasons for this situation have something to do with you as well.

anyway... good luck! feel free to contact me if you like
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It is attacks inside and outside .
At the worst times , there are voices in her head .
But also on the outside ; it is very strong , not only she is affected :
Her father has gotten several diseases .
Her brother got threatened and shot in his homeland .

Some weeks ago , she wanted to cross the road without looking at the cars ( stress , manipulation by the ghosts ) , but suddenly a dog came running from behind and went before her and was crushed by the car ...
This dog saved her life ...
Then , she tried to console the old madam who just lost her dog , and therefore she came late to work , and got problems , and almost lost her job ...

( Thank you very much for your suggestions , I will come back to this with more time )
Tapati
The classic in the field is Dion Fortune's book Psychic Self Defense.

There's also a section on household protection magic in Scott Cunningham's book The Magical Household.

And if I remember correctly, Luisah Teish also addresses self protection in her book about Voodoo tradition(s), Jambalaya.

If you are being helped by the Nrsimha mantra, why not make a large poster of it and display it prominently in the home? Another thing is to write it above each doorway and window. Continue doing houseblessings and add salt to any cleansing water, and salt on the windowsills. Put crystals and/or a witchball in the windows. (A witchball is like a gleaming silver christmas ornament.) Mirrors facing outward will also work to deflect energies back to the sender.

Also, make a tape of any helpful mantras to be played continuously in the home and/or car. (Be cautious about driving with all of these negative energies flying around!)
jijaji
Ahhh Dion Fortune, another Golden Dawn initiate...they so totally influenced most of what we know today as far as the western esoteric tradition is concerned no doubt, tarot, western astrology etc..

BTW..

I have had great success with pics of Kali at my head at night to ward off unclean spirits... really any deity you have faith in is fine and a pic of a saint works well along side the deity pic, but I find they are a bit scarred of Kali (makes sense really).

I also have a Nrsimha Kavacham mantra on mp3 I got from Keshava das some time back..if you pm me your email, I'll try and forward it to you. Just loop it so it will play repeatedly all night at a low volume and the vibe permeates everything leaving the energy crisp and clean, it's a ghostbuster and keeps the spooks a runnin graduated.gif
Tapati
How long is it? I wonder if it can be attached to a post?
Tapati
Of course psychology says that psychic attack works because the person being attacked believes in the efficacy of the malevolent energy and actually inflicts damage upon themselves, psychosomatically. They believe that protection rituals work by influencing the person's belief that the attack has been foiled.

It's a perspective that should be taken into consideration in any such scenario. The mind is a powerful force and it's been proven that we can literally make ourselves sick. In the book full catastrophe living an account is given of a woman with heart disease who was doing pretty good. Her doctor said something about her condition to the students reviewing her case, within her hearing, that she misunderstood to mean her condition was very life threatening. Her own anxiety about this caused a dramatic and immediate change in her vital signs and her condition deteriorated rapidly. No one was able to reassure her that she was actually going to have a good recovery and her trusted doctor could not be reached. Her vital signs continued to deteriorate and she died that night. (I forget the whether by heart attack or cardiac arrest.) Classic case.

So whether the attack is truly the cause of such symptoms or her belief in the attack is, dealing with her mental reaction is important too. Fear can kill.
jijaji
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Dhyana
Dear Nitaicandra,
Here comes a bit of advice from one who does not believe in magic powers... so take it for whatever you feel it's worth. But what I want to say may be valid whether or not your girlfriend is really under attack.

People who live in constant stress often develop somatic symptoms from that. Some common ones:

-- suddenly feeling unreal
-- a sudden intense feeling that something is wrong, something terrible will happen
-- feeling dizzy, head spinning
-- tingling and numbing sensation in fingers, toes, sometimes mouth and face
-- feeling nauseous and digestion problems
-- cold sweat, feeling hot and cold at turns
-- chest pain, painful and strained breathing, feeling that there is not enough air, or that one's throat is blocked, choking up; yawning, sighing, swallowing air
-- fainting spells (most often the person does not really faint but may come close)
-- a feeling that one is going to die or go crazy.

If your girlfriend has any of the above symptoms, then they come from stress and anxiety. Often (not always) the way they come about is by hyperventilation (breathing too much; getting too much oxygen in relation to what the muscles need). Hyperventilation, in the long run, could also cause sharp pain in the diaphragm area (stomach). You can check whether she has a tendency to hyperventilate by performing a simple test:

Ask her to sit down comfortably or lie down. Let her place one hand over her belly and the other one over her chest. Ask her to breathe normally, as she always does, for half a minute. Ask her to observe which hand goes more up as she breathes.

In a person at rest, the hand on the belly should be moving up and down more than the chest. If it is the chest that is moving most, then one has the breathing pattern characteristic of high stress and anxiety. One is getting too much oxygen, as much as one needs if one is supposed to fight the danger or run away. (This is the purpose of the mechanism.) So unless the stressed person is also very physically active, the body won't be able to burn all the oxygen. It stays in the blood and gets the body out of balance. Any added stress -- even a minor thing -- can tip the balance and cause the symptoms listed above to break out, "out of the blue."

I don't say your girlfriend is not under attack by black magic. I don't know. I am just worried that if she is living under constant threat, she may get stress and anxiety symptoms. She may then believe these symptoms are caused by magic, and get even more scared, more stressed, increasing the hyperventilation. This could cause a very bad vicious circle. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

If any of the above makes sense to her, then one simple thing she could do to maintain her balance would be to work on her breathing. She could train breathing for a few minutes every day when she is relatively peaceful. Take a deep breath or a deep sigh. Then breathe peacefully, a bit slower than usual, and make the belly work, not the chest. Focus on here and now, and on the breathing. Cut off other thoughts. Or think about some soothing image that gives comfort. This peaceful breathing takes down the oxygen levels back to normal. This is also a good thing to do in acute situations when she gets scared. But many people find that they can't relax enough to breathe right, unless they have practiced it first without stress.

Hope you don't feel I am dismissing your understanding of the situation. I am just adding something that I have found revelant and helpful when treating people who were stressed or scared -- regardless their reasons for the stress.
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Tapati @ Mar 31 2006, 09:36 PM)
The classic in the field is Dion Fortune's book Psychic Self Defense.

There's also a section on household protection magic in Scott Cunningham's book The Magical Household.

And if I remember correctly, Luisah Teish also addresses self protection in her book about Voodoo tradition(s), Jambalaya.

If you are being helped by the Nrsimha mantra, why not make a large poster of it and display it prominently in the home? Another thing is to write it above each doorway and window. Continue doing houseblessings and add salt to any cleansing water, and salt on the windowsills.  (A witchball is like a gleaming silver christmas ornament.) Mirrors facing outward will also work to deflect energies back to the sender.

Also, make a tape of any helpful mantras to be played continuously in the home and/or car. (Be cautious about driving with all of these negative energies flying around!)
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Thanks a lot .
I will try to see if I find spanish versions of these books , or german ; since she does not understand english too well .

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Put crystals and/or a witchball in the windows.


This is already done . It was recommended to her by her father , who is practising a spiritual path called "metaphysics" ( something like that ; also an organization ) .
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (jijaji @ Mar 31 2006, 09:48 PM)
I also have a Nrsimha Kavacham mantra on mp3 I got from Keshava das some time back..if you pm me your email, I'll try and forward it to you. Just loop it so it will play repeatedly all night at a low volume and the vibe permeates everything leaving the energy crisp and clean, it's a ghostbuster and keeps the spooks a runnin graduated.gif
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Thank you .
Sounds great . I will definitely contact you .
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Tapati @ Mar 31 2006, 10:08 PM)
Of course psychology says that psychic attack works because the person being attacked believes in the efficacy of the malevolent energy and actually inflicts damage upon themselves, psychosomatically. They believe that protection rituals work by influencing the person's belief that the attack has been foiled.

It's a perspective that should be taken into consideration in any such scenario. The mind is a powerful force and it's been proven that we can literally make ourselves sick. In the book full catastrophe living an account is given of a woman with heart disease who was doing pretty good. Her doctor said something about her condition to the students reviewing her case, within her hearing, that she misunderstood to mean her condition was very life threatening. Her own anxiety about this caused a dramatic and immediate change in her vital signs and her condition deteriorated rapidly. No one was able to reassure her that she was actually going to have a good recovery and her trusted doctor could not be reached. Her vital signs continued to deteriorate and she died that night. (I forget the whether by heart attack or cardiac arrest.) Classic case.

So whether the attack is truly the cause of such symptoms or her belief in the attack is, dealing with her mental reaction is important too. Fear can kill.
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Her father is constantly telling her the same .
But what happens is that the whole thing is so strong , that it affects her surroundings , not only her ...
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Dhyana @ Mar 31 2006, 10:50 PM)
Dear Nitaicandra,
Here comes a bit of advice from one who does not believe in magic powers... so take it for whatever you feel it's worth. But what I want to say may be valid whether or not your girlfriend is really under attack.

Ask her to sit down comfortably or lie down. Let her place one hand over her belly and the other one over her chest. Ask her to breathe normally, as she always does, for half a minute. Ask her to observe which hand goes more up as she breathes.

In a person at rest, the hand on the belly should be moving up and down more than the chest. If it is the chest that is moving most, then one has the breathing pattern characteristic of high stress and anxiety. One is getting too much oxygen, as much as one needs if one is supposed to fight the danger or run away. (This is the purpose of the mechanism.) So unless the stressed person is also very physically active, the body won't be able to burn all the oxygen. It stays in the blood and gets the body out of balance. Any added stress -- even a minor thing -- can tip the balance and cause the symptoms listed above to break out, "out of the blue."


If any of the above makes sense to her, then one simple thing she could do to maintain her balance would be to work on her breathing. She could train breathing for a few minutes every day when she is relatively peaceful. Take a deep breath or a deep sigh. Then breathe peacefully, a bit slower than usual, and make the belly work, not the chest. Focus on here and now, and on the breathing. Cut off other thoughts. Or think about some soothing image that gives comfort. This peaceful breathing takes down the oxygen levels back to normal. This is also a good thing to do in acute situations when she gets scared. But many people find that they can't relax enough to breathe right, unless they have practiced it first without stress.

Hope you don't feel I am dismissing your understanding of the situation. I am just adding something that I have found revelant and helpful when treating people who were stressed or scared -- regardless their reasons for the stress.
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Thank you for the elaborate post .
I will definitely put in practice with what you have described so expertly .

I think , that she must take whatever help she can , and the physiological facet should not be left aside . After all , we are all living on oxygen , and breathing exercises can only be helpful .
In fact , I think that some months ago I recommended her to make something in that direction , but I am not an expert in this field .

Regarding your viewpoint on the supernatural , I think that sometimes it is even better not to believe in it , because there are so many unpleasant facets in it .
Yes , better not to come in contact with any of this .
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Open Mind @ Mar 31 2006, 01:08 PM)
I would recommend her to find out who and why is using black magic against her. There must be a cause, a cause of the hatred against her that inspired someone to apply harmful methods. 
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Well , the known one is a female cuban singer , who wants her out of the way .

And the other ones are two men .
An oracle in her homeland has told her that one of them hates her because she refused his amorous advances , and with the other one is seems to be hatred coupled with envy .

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Black magic always turns against its user, and these people will curse the day when they applied these harmful methods against others. They will be devoured by their own hatred, and the powers they invoked will become their worst nightmares.


She also says this , and I would like to believe her , but this cuban singer has now become more or less famous in our place , and seems to have achieved what she wanted .
Some very few people know that through her magical power ( and/or that of her family ) she killed one artistic director who stood in her way .

So , for years , she is going up and up . But where is the karma ? Where is the punishment ?
This lady has it all , and my girlfiend is suffering ...
Tapati
QUOTE (jijaji @ Mar 31 2006, 12:23 PM)
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It looks to me like the file is simply too big. You could perhaps put it on the web and link to the page for people to download at will. But email works just fine too.

Thanks for trying! I tried too but it is a really large file.
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Kula-pavana @ Mar 31 2006, 02:16 PM)
how does she know these are the spells that are used against her?

maybe you are part of the story too. maybe the reasons for this situation
have something to do with you as well.

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Well , several mediums have given her informations .
Most notably the indian shamans from her homecountry , who made an accurate
description of the cuban lady , without knowing her . They described her the
way she is being attacked : She is being entombed ritually with a sort of
mock doll ( it seems that they are also messing around with dolls to inflict
her pain )

There are moreover two men , who are wishing her death .
One of them is outraged because she has refused his amorous advances , and
the other one is driven by hate and envy .

QUOTE
in the second case you are dealing with a very powerfull sorcerer
and perhaps you may want to settle with him or her.


Well , the shamans recommended her to renounce the music to make way for the
cuban lady .
Ok , my girlfriend did that , and things went fine for sometime , but she
just canīt live without her art and she needs the stage like fresh air . Now
things are beginning again ...
But anyway , if all was fine with that lady , still the two other men remain
...
On a sidenote , I have to mention that in the past this cuban lady ( she is
bi- or homosexual ) wanted to seduce my girlfriend , but my girlfriend
refused to make anything . Thatīs when the lady told her that she will have
to pay for that ...

Some very few people also know that this lady has killed with he magical powers an artistic director , who stood in her way .
Just recently one of the dancers told my girlfriend that just at that time , when the director died and when my girlfriend had cancer , some other members also got ill ...
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only full surrender to God can protect from this type of
magic.


I am in a strange situation :
I have lost my faith in vaishnavism ( but belief is different from knowing
the facts : I am aware of the power of the mantras and the practices of
vaishnavism , but I donīt believe anymore that it is the panacea for
suffering humanity , and I am shocked by disturbing things in the vedas .) ,
but now it is the most powerful thing in my hands , and that what I
recommend to my girlfriend .
It is a sort of contradiction ...

But , how can I tell her to fully surrender to God , if I am not sure if God
is a benevolent entity or if he exists at all ?
Anyway , my girlfriend is more favorably disposed to the idea of God , and I
will propose your recommendation to her .

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also, protect your dwelling with yantras, mantras, Tulasi and Ganges
water. Tulasi plants are very powerfull. If you want, I can send you some
seeds. There are easy to grow. Your girlfriend can serve Tulasi even just by
caring for Her. that should help too.


I will investigate the topic of yantras , I donīt know much about it , but I
am interested in it .

Now , speaking of Tulasi , I donīt know if it is ok for a non-believer to
use it for selfish purposes , without bhakti .
Because , frankly speaking , my girlfriend does not like vaishnavism very
much , even though she is grateful to have encountered powerful tools for
protection within the mantras .
If still there exists this possibility , I will consider this option
seriously .
But thank you very much for your generous offer .

( At this moment , my girlfriend is abstaining from meat , because I recommended it to her . In the first 2 months she did it by herself , because she wanted to know how I live , but then she could not resist anymore , and got back to her old habits . Since I think that one is held accountable for killing the animals , I think it would be better for her not to have this karmic weight on her shoulders in these difficult times . So for the time being , she tries to be a vegetarian , at least temporarily )

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maybe you are part of the story too. maybe the reasons for this situation
have something to do with you as well.


Well , I have been working with the cuban lady for years , I even know her longer than my girlfriend . ( I am together with her for 10 months , after knowing her for 9 years ).

We have talked a lot during all the time .
This cuban singer even described to me one of her ritual cleansings , that one of her uncles made for her :
He takes a living rooster , makes it touch parts of her body , and the rooster dies without using violence .
So what can I expect . Her family ( with also haitian ancestry ) is deeply steeped in the santeria and similar afro-cuban practices ...

And in the groups where I work , alot of the musicians are members of afro-caribbean religions .
Stribor
This is Santerias black counterpart. Also this isn't Voodoo this has elements of Hoodoo.More close to african Macumba/Candomble/Umbanda.candomble is actually Quimbanda. Is your girlfriend of African or Mexican origins? This what was displayed looks to me as powerful Santeria spell.
Look for the book from Millene Gonzalez Wippler on talismans.There are the ones to counteract this spell. She is accompanied constantly by dark creatures of netherworld summoned to make her insane through few different rituals.All this stuff from above wont help.It doesn't matter of her psychological, mental or physical condition, EVERYBODY, and i mean that can be affected by this. My advice is, find very, very good Santero to counteract this spell, if you don't want this to spread. Also look for different items being thrown in front of your house, and around the house which are suspicious and don't belong to you.
Westerners will never ever understand this, because their minds don't work like that. This is very serious thing. Black Magic isn't thing to play around with.
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (darwin @ Apr 1 2006, 03:31 AM)
Just stop clinging to all these delusions. Just become an atheist.


With all the doubts I have in my mind , I could almost become an atheist ; but it would be a step too far for me .
Itīs just that when I was a believer , I regarded the atheists as one of the of my natural enemies ( Just the like the impostor Kapila wink.gif ) .
So if now I would turn around and become an atheist myself , I would feel like being a hypocrite and a traitor ...
Moreover I am still taking advantage of the potencies found in the different vaishnava techniques , whenever it suits me , out of necessity or out of pleasure .
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Stribor @ Apr 1 2006, 12:12 PM)
This is Santerias black counterpart
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In Cuba , Santeria ( "regla de ocha" ) , is known more or less as the gentle path , and then you have the stronger path ( or darker ) .
This stronger path is known as Palo mayombe ( it comes from the Congo people ) . These paleros will regularly work with the bones of the deceased , for binding the spirits of the dead .
However , even Cubans fear the power of the cuban-haitian sorcerers ( Cuba had immigration from Haiti since the 1800īties ) . It is considered the most powerful sorcery in Cuba .

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Also this isn't Voodoo this has elements of Hoodoo.


I understand Hoodoo to be the magic of the blacks of the southern States of the Us . Besides the fact that it was influenced by immigrants from the caribbean islands , I donīt know much about it .

Also , we donīt know anybody who practices something like this , or who comes from there .

( Just yesterday the medium in Colombia sent her the message , that one of the two men attacking her might be a russian shaman . ~~~Well Russia has a lot of mongol tribes , who seem to have their own secrets and manipulations of the supernatural .. )

QUOTE
More close to african Macumba/Candomble/Umbanda.candomble is actually Quimbanda.

I understand these to be afro-brazilian religions .
We have the information from brazilian dancers ( friends from us ) , who have been at ceremonies , where some brazilian music-managers and musicians made special spells to cut down other musicians , so that they will loose work .

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Is your girlfriend of African or Mexican origins?


My girlfriend is from Colombia .
Her ancestry is mixed Spanish/Italian/Native american ( possibly African ... ) .
She will sustain , that one of the indian tribes that are her ancestors , are descendents from the Maya , who when in back times they fled Mexico , settled in Colombia ...
So who knows , maybe she has some remote mexican blood ...

QUOTE
Look for the book from Millene Gonzalez Wippler on talismans.There are the ones to counteract this spell.


Thank you very much for this recommendation .

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She is accompanied constantly by dark creatures of netherworld summoned to make her insane through few different rituals.


This is exactly the description that she made to me , and which was confirmed to her by various santeros and shamans .

QUOTE
.My advice is, find very, very good Santero to counteract this spell, if you don't want this to spread.


Well , we already have had sessions ( "consultas") with two santeros , and they recommended her elaborate rituals and cleansings .
Well , some of the different practices to counteract the attacks I have described in my first post , were actually made with the guidance of these santeros .

Some very quite time-consuming , with a lot of details involved .

Interestingly , that was at a time , where I havenīt yet given her the mantras .
Afterwards , she discovered that the mantras are more powerful than any of the rituals recommended by the santeros ...
babu
QUOTE (darwin @ Mar 31 2006, 09:31 PM)
Just become an atheist.
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just another belief system
Tapati
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_eye

If she has Italian heritage she might find the information above of interest.
angrezi
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Cuba had immigration from Haiti since the 1800īties ) . It is considered the most powerful sorcery in Cuba .
A Hatian woman was just busted in Florida for bringing a human skull, apperantly not fully decomposed, into the country for her puja. She forgot to declare it at check-in to customs and thus irritated the authorities, who will likely suffer in the future.

I say, get your girlfriend to take some mushrooms or peyote under proper guidance and she can battle the culprits face to face.
Brainiac
All this makes me wonder how, from an evolutionary point of view, early man discovered how to perform black magic. Did early man just mix everything up in the pot just to see what comes out?
angrezi
QUOTE (Azra`iL @ Apr 3 2006, 05:09 AM)
All this makes me wonder how, from an evolutionary point of view, early man discovered how to perform black magic. Did early man just mix everything up in the pot just to see what comes out?
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Pot is generally used for benefic purposes, so there was likely no pot in the pot. But generally I think that black (and white) magic around the world is very similar and was was passed down by people who saw things and beings in trance, and possibly tripping on various herbal illuminators
Nitaibhangra
QUOTE (Tapati @ Apr 2 2006, 01:31 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_eye

If she has Italian heritage she might find the information above of interest.
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Thanks for the link .
Milla
This is off-topic, but I remember well when the Nrisimha-mantra didn't work for me anymore, and I was quite surprised and disappointed. I was alone in the house for some days and one evening got the idea to read the story of Dracula on www.filmsite.org where many classical films are retold scene by scene. We had no TV at that time and lived in the middle of nowhere, so I used to read the screenplays or the reviews on amazon of popular films that I missed in my temple years. As I was reading, I was gripped by enormous fear, and sat shaking on my chair, afraid to move. The thought of sleeping alone in the house was agonizing, and I wouldn't go to the dark bed-room upstairs for all the money world.

I put a picture of Ugra Nrisimha from Mayapur on the table next to me and started chanting the Nrisimha mantra and Hare Krishna, but nothing happened sad.gif . I could have just as well prayed to the Egyptian sphinx, I remained scared out my wits. I fell asleep at one point, only to wake up with a start early in the morning from the crows in the garden (one of the disguises of Dracula is a raven). And so I awaited the new day, not daring to look outside, what to speak of trying to sleep again. And then the phone rang and the spell broke and I was back in the world of the living.
jijaji
experiment with this pic at your head at nite....print it out here if you like

burn some nice incense too graduated.gif

Maryada
QUOTE (Milla @ Apr 4 2006, 02:33 PM)
This is off-topic, but I remember well when the Nrisimha-mantra didn't work for me anymore, and I was quite surprised and disappointed.

Not to minimize or trivialize the experiences you and your wife are going through, Nitaicandra, but there is something to Milla's experience.

I have always been fascinated by amulets, talismans, spells, pendulums, etc. and have invested years into studying them. My personal conclusion follows that of many researchers in this field, namely that these items are primarily focus points and/or tools for the mind, and that, consequently, it is the power of the mind at work. The same for mantras. If you're not 100% invested, the results will lack.

It appears that both black and white magic work best in a society where at least the majority is accepting of it. Of course, there is also an innate power of the mind that goes beyond societal acceptance -- such as dowsing, for instance -- but there is scarce evidence of such powers influencing others without their conscent.

I think it has been mentioned in some thread on GR before that the best sourcerers of the mayas and incas could not affect the invaders, who simply hacked their way through the magic because they either didn't believe in it, or their own faith in Christianity as superior kept their minds from accepting the possible potency of that magic.

I saw the first part of a documentary over the last weekend dealing with the more progressive part of the medical scientific community starting to accept that the state of mind can be a determining factor in illness and health, because now they have what they consider valid, measurable and repeatable proof. So, "worrying yourself sick" and "dying from a broken heart" are no longer metafores.

The program showed many examples. The first was of a woman who's water had broken in the 7th month. They explained that normally this means that the baby had to be taken out by c-section within a week, because almost without fail it will otherwise contact some infection and die. And even when born this way, due to being so premature, its chances for survival were very small. The doctors now reasoned that the infections, which start from the mother, are due to decreased immunity, which is a direct result of increased stress (medical emergency, alone in the hospital, family life disrupted, etc.). So they had the mother do meditative excercises several times a day to keep her stress level under control. The healthy baby was born 4 weeks later.

They showed two cases of people living with extreme and constant pain (one due to cerebral palsy and the other because of emotional trauma). Both were greatly relieved from their pain through hypnotherapy. More examples about a heart dysfunction, paralysis, and migraines were shown in the second part, which I unfortunately missed because of a prior appointment.

Getting back to Milla's story, she obviously put herself in a state of great anxiety and fear by her own mind through focussing on horror, and also got out of it by her own mind through moving the focus instantly to the ring of the phone (this kind of abrupt diversion of attention is more commonly known as "snapping out of it"). This technique is one of many mind tools used in Cognitive Behavorial Therapy, which is a very successful therapy for panic and anxiety disorder and much better than popping benzo-diazapines.

Again, I'm not trying to minimize or trivialize your situation, and I'm not making a diagnosis here, but I still like to urge you to have your wife evaluated for anxiety/panic disorder. I've been around it for many years. Panic disorder can take on rather extreme symptoms. I have personally seen the following, often in combinations: dizziness, a deep sense of doom, horrendous fears, nerve reactions, muscle spasms and cramping, convulsions and vomiting. Symptoms may also include auditory and visual hallucinations. A very common thing that people going through a serious panic attack will tell you is that they think they're for sure going to die, or that they're losing their mind and are going crazy. Anxiety/panic disorder is not a laughing matter. In addition, it is often mis-diagnosed as general hysteria or hyper ventilation, or the result of "some kind of allergic reaction."

As far as extended symptoms of the black magic are concerned (father falling sick, brother getting shot), I'd be careful in making such connections. They may be totally unrelated. If the mind is primed, any type of connection can be made and justified quickly, but that is no guarantee of accuracy. Perhaps an extreme example, but if the mind is primed to paranoia, even a well-meant nod from the lady at the laundromat can be interpreted as a secret signal from alien conspirators to have you assassinated.

My parents fall sick often (they're old) and my brother, being an army guy, runs into accidents often. Could I link that to my own misfortunes? Sure. If I prime my mind to it, I could probably blame the powerful tantric Cittesvara for my recent bouts of persistent flue and the amputation of my dad's leg. After all, I kinda made fun of him here at GR and he probably got to know of it. Next, he will probably send out armies of ghosts to torment my family... etc. etc. etc. In this way I will make myself sick and will connect most of the normal and usual little illnesses and accidents that befall family members to his "voodoo." In reality, though, I don't believe jack sh*t of Cittesvara's hocus pocus tantra schmantra.

Anyway, Nitaicandraji, I hope I didn't come accross as too crass. I am concerned with the wellbeing of your family and wish you all the best.
Tapati
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As far as extended symptoms of the black magic are concerned (father falling sick, brother getting shot), I'd be careful in making such connections. They may be totally unrelated. If the mind is primed, any type of connection can be made and justified quickly, but that is no guarantee of accuracy. Perhaps an extreme example, but if the mind is primed to paranoia, even a well-meant nod from the lady at the laundromat can be interpreted as a secret signal from alien conspirators to have you assassinated.


In the same vein, when someone brings home a lava stone from Hawaii and has heard the story about how Pele will take revenge on you for doing so (and why, one might ask?), then any misfortune starts being attributed to the "curse" of Pele. I suppose I could ascribe my son's head injury to this curse if I wanted to, along with my heart disease and surgery and several family members dying within a few years of my trip to Hawaii.

Every year many pounds of stones are mailed back to Hawaii for this reason.

I didn't know about this so called curse until later but I'm not buying into it.
babu
why does the world's greatest soccer player and now retired get upset when lava rocks are taken from a volcano?
Tapati
QUOTE (babu @ Apr 5 2006, 02:40 PM)
why does the world's greatest soccer player and now retired get upset when lava rocks are taken from a volcano?
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The Goddess Pele, not her namesake the soccer player. I'm sure he doesn't mind at all.
Babhru
Y'all don't have to buy into it, of course, but people's experience is such that many stones are mailed the Park Service at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park all the time. It's simply a matter of respecting a personality with more power than we have. I happen to live on the slope of Kilauea, where Pele is active right now, and we know her power, ofetn feel her presence. Sure, much of it can be explained by the scientists. Much of it cannot. Don't buy it? Fine. You don't have to. It makes sense to Hawaiians.

Tapati, did you take stones home from Kilauea?
Open Mind
I use the picture below as an amulet against ghosts. Since the day it's been hanging on the wall above my bed, no harmful spirit has the balls to enter our home.
Tapati
QUOTE (Babhru @ Apr 5 2006, 03:14 PM)
Y'all don't have to buy into it, of course, but people's experience is such that many stones are mailed the Park Service at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park all the time. It's simply a matter of respecting a personality with more power than we have. I happen to live on the slope of Kilauea, where Pele is active right now, and we know her power, ofetn feel her presence. Sure, much of it can be explained by the scientists. Much of it cannot. Don't buy it? Fine. You don't have to. It makes sense to Hawaiians.

Tapati, did you take stones home from Kilauea?
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I was on Oahu and just took some rocks home from the beach, some of which were formed by lava. I'd never heard of the legend at this time. I pretty much think that any god or goddess who would curse me over something I didn't even know was forbidden is just being petty. I'd like to think that Pele has better things to do.
angrezi
QUOTE (Open Mind @ Apr 6 2006, 01:39 AM)
I use the picture below as an amulet against ghosts. Since the day it's been hanging on the wall above my bed, no harmful spirit has the balls to enter our home.
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you may wake up with a yucca root protruding from your underwear though
jijaji


may you wake up with a yucca root protruding from your underwear
madhavadasa


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Tapati
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So I talked with the Hawaiian elders and historians.  No one really knows of any ancient prohibition regarding lava. There were numerous villages near the ocean "marked" by groves of coconut trees; and although no one lives there any more, it's considered very bad form to take stones from such places. Special stones smoothed by ocean waves carry a special spirit and reverence, but these were respected and not just left lying around. If you are digging in the hills and find such an ocean smoothed stone deeply buried, you're advised to leave it there, replace the soil, and treat it with respect. 

                At Fuku-Bonsai, in the tradition of Chinese "Spirit Rocks" and Japanese suiseki, we collect and display beautiful naturally sculptured lava. Our finest bonsai creations feature extraordinary rocks.  Just as Fuku-Bonsai has a policy of not selling collected naturally shaped trees, we don't sell individual rock specimens.

                The lava used in our Hawaiian Lava Plantings are from the Kapoho area at the low elevation end of the eastern rift zone. Summit eruptions have a special reverence, but as time passes, eruptions move on down the rift zone. Near the end of an eruption cycle, the molten lava hits ground or sea water and the hot expanding steam sends frothy volcanic pumice high into the air.  This is the material that serves as the base of our sterile non-soil planting media. Cinder cones of welded splatter mark the end of the eruption.  Kapoho means "the waste" where Pele cleaned her plumbing system, and in Hawaii, such welded splatter is quarried for use as inexpensive fill material.

                So where did the bad luck curse come from? Historians know this can be traced back to the early days of the tourism industry.  Visitors have always been fascinated by the iridescent oily surface of fresh lava rocks and took pieces home. The sharp edges cut up the upholstery and the many small pieces that broke off were hard to clean. In spite of requests by drivers, many tourists just wouldn't listen and each group wanted to take home more.

                National park rules and our multi-cultural values prohibit taking fresh lava from the summit. Tourists ignored these rules and values and so the "curse" was born. As other touring car drivers learned of the effective ruse, each driver embellished the curse. It became a part of the creative mischievous mystique of Hawaiian tourism. Today the curse is pervasive and a basic part of a tour guide's education.

                But there is a valid psychological basis for the curse, and this I believe.  Each of us should know right from wrong.  In Hawaii, everything has value, even rocks. Rocks are someone's property, and even after learning of the "curse," a person may not feel any guilt about taking rocks. Think about it. Knowingly taking anything is stealing and stealing is wrong! If you need a piece of lava for educational or other purposes, if you ask permission, it's likely that the owner of the property will give you a piece with their blessing. We will.

                It's simple to brazenly defy the curse, but it's impossible to build a mental defense against knowingly having stolen Hawaiian lava. The curse is blamed for any bad luck.  The national park and many of us in Hawaii often receive cartons of lava with stories of a person's bad luck and a request to "return the lava." We do so with the hopes it will lift the curse so the person can go on to a better life. So to avoid the curse, don't steal lava!

http://www.fukubonsai.com/bi3.html


and, psychology at work:

http://www.volcanogallery.com/lavarock2003.htm

http://www.volcanogallery.com/lavarock2004.htm

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And now for the rest of the story. According to Robin Stephens and Linda Ching, co-authors of "Powerstones, Letters to a Goddess," Pele's Curse has no basis in Hawaiian mythology. They say that the whole notion of a curse was started by a park ranger in 1946 in an attempt to discourage visitors from taking rocks from the National Park. Stephens and Ching say that if the curse is a sham, then why all the fuss? The realization they arrived at was that the power of our beliefs shapes our perceptions of the world and creates our reality.


http://www.naturopathicretreatcenter.com/articles3.html
Maryada
QUOTE (Milla @ Apr 4 2006, 02:33 PM)
As I was reading, I was gripped by enormous fear, and sat shaking on my chair, afraid to move. The thought of sleeping alone in the house was agonizing, and I wouldn't go to the dark bed-room upstairs for all the money world. ... And then the phone rang and the spell broke and I was back in the world of the living.

Ah, this actually reminded me of when Korsnas had first acquired the New Shyamakund property in Grödinge. The TP put me in charge and I was expected to immediately take up residence there. So I did. Here's my confession to failure of bravery. wink.gif

The main building was in the same state as it was left 6 years earlier when it had ceased to be an old folks home. The same flowered wallpaper, stuffy rugs, and tons of dust everywhere. The electricity hadn't been connected yet. As the evening set it, the atmosphere started to take on more and more creepy forms. I had lit the fire place for some light and heat, and it made shadows dance on the walls. When the night and darkness came, strange sounds periodically emerged from the cellar and the attic. I was slowly getting nervous.

The incense, prayers and incantations only went so far. Unavoidably the fear kept increasing. I started to picture things in my head. In true horror-movie-bozo-head style I embarked on a candle-lit quest to find out the origin of the strange sounds. Honestly, I never made it all the way up to the attic. Reaching the second floor already had me bathing in sweat, and the narrow, steep staircase to the attic didn't seem particularly inviting. Halfway up I could hear the wind howl around the outside walls, and as a draft blew out my candle I heard the sound of breaking glass. I must have broken some kind of stumbling speed record on my way down in the darkness.

After spending the next hour right in front of the fireplace with a kitchen knife and a broomstick, I gave the cellar a try. This time I took a lighter with me so I could re-light the candle, if need be. I made it all the way down. It smelled musty and had much of a dungeon like feel to it. Halfway the cellar hallway, from behind a closed door, strange blooping and hammering sounds came. Sometimes soft, sometimes louder. I knew that one of the 23 keys on my keyring matched the lock on that door. When I stuck the first key in there was a loud clanging noise, as if something was startled. I must have broken my earlier record.

I spent another hour in front of the fireplace, and then it struck me. I was doing this to myself. I was the sole source of my own fears. Everything was being created by my mind. Nothing objective to it. I made my heart pound and my blood race through my veins. I remember standing up and saying out loud: "This is all such friggin bullsh*t!" Then I took only the lighter, walked all the way up to the attic, closed two windows there and put a piece of wood in front of the one that was broken. Then I went downstairs to the cellar, got the right key and opened the door to the boiler room. Closed two windows there, too, and found that the blooping sound came from the water tank, which lacked sufficient air, and the clanging sound from a huge diesel tank -- likely because of temperature changes.

Still, the main building remained a creepy place to spend the night alone, but less so without self-inflicted fear.
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