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Subal
Last week, a neighbor recommended I speak to Roger Christie, Cannabis Sacrament Minister and Counselor with The Hawai'i Cannabis Ministry. I looked him up on the web and read his site quite thoroughly. I was impressed. He seemed like a very sincere, intelligent, dedicated crusader for freedom of religion. He has done remarkably well in being recognized for his work here on the Big Island. Joining The Hawai’i Cannabis Ministry and using the tools Roger provides seems to be an effective way to avoid negative encounters with law enforcement by asserting our religious right to use the Cannabis Sacrament.

I met Roger at his second floor, bay front office in downtown Hilo at noon, Monday. I introduced myself and gave him one of my brochures. We spent over an hour and a half together during which time he explained the basis of The Hawai’i Cannabis Ministry. It is quite credible. I asked if it would be OK to share a bowl of sacrament together right there. He explained that from 9 to 5 it is a professional office building, and out of respect for others he does not burn or vaporize sacrament during those hours.

He did administer sacrament to me in two other forms. First he gave me a drop of tincture under my tongue in a homeopathic dosage. Then he anointed me with oil which is made using the same formula given in the Bible for the anointing of kings, priests, prophets and messiahs including Jesus. The original formula called for five gallons of olive oil with 6.6 pounds of bud soaked in it along with other herbs. He makes a cup at a time. He showed me evidence that this was the true formula. He placed some drops on my wrists and the top of my head at the crown chakra. I put some from my wrists on my forehead for my third eye. Roger said that in Old Testament days a horn full was used. The whole effect was very nice and spiritually uplifting. I felt a new birth and healing taking place. I can now use the sacred herb without fear of the law.

I know my rights and have documents to back me up. I carry a card identifying me as a Religious Practitioner & Caregiver of Cannabis Hemp. I have Sacred Plant and Sacrament tags in my sacrament bags. I have a certificate on the wall of my home identifying it as “Sanctuary: a place of refuge for the religious practice of Cannabis Sacrament.” He will also mail me extensive documentation and legal precedents as part of The Sanctuary Kit which he also sells on the web. This is supposed to work in other states as well as Canada or anywhere religious freedom is guaranteed by law. There is also an Amsterdam THC Ministry as well as others. “We use cannabis religiously and you can too.”
Kalisurfer
QUOTE (Subal @ Mar 29 2006, 03:39 PM)
The whole effect was very nice and spiritually uplifting. I felt a new birth and healing taking place. I can now use the sacred herb without fear of the law.
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That is quite an experience that you had! You mentioned feeling spiritually uplifted and I am wondering if you felt this more on the physical/emotional level or was it more of an internal /spiritual effect? Did you feel it immediately when you received the tincture under the tongue, or was it more of a cumulative effect that you felt after the whole ceremony was completed?

It’s very interesting stuff to say the least, I’ve heard of hemp and cannabis being used in certain Shamanic traditions, but never heard of it being presented and used as a ceremonial tool through a western style ministry, especially in the United States. Sounds like you’re a true pioneer in the Age of Aquarius!
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Subal
QUOTE (Kalisurfer @ Mar 29 2006, 05:44 PM)
QUOTE (Subal @ Mar 29 2006, 03:39 PM)
The whole effect was very nice and spiritually uplifting. I felt a new birth and healing taking place. I can now use the sacred herb without fear of the law.
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That is quite an experience that you had! You mentioned feeling spiritually uplifted and I am wondering if you felt this more on the physical/emotional level or was it more of an internal /spiritual effect? Did you feel it immediately when you received the tincture under the tongue, or was it more of a cumulative effect that you felt after the whole ceremony was completed?

It’s very interesting stuff to say the least, I’ve heard of hemp and cannabis being used in certain Shamanic traditions, but never heard of it being presented and used as a ceremonial tool through a western style ministry, especially in the United States. Sounds like you’re a true pioneer in the Age of Aquarius!
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It was a general sense of physical/emotional/spiritual wellbeing, a sense of wholeness, a feeling of being "home" and accepted for who I am. I felt a spiritual lift in consciousness fairly quickly from the tincture. The oil was more slow acting, long lasting and on a deeper level.

For forty years, I have offered my sacramental herb to Shiva. Roger is ordained in the Religion of Jesus (a cannabis sacrament church in Hilo) and is licensed by the State of Hawaii to perform marriage ceremonies as a Cannabis Sacrament minister. His ministry is Judeo-Christian based but open to all.
Preyobrazhenya
Tell us more about the tincture. My son regularly partakes of weed to help his mood swings/bipolar. Since he currently has shingles and doesn't want to risk complications, he is not smoking anything at present and unfortunately, the mood swings are back. Cannabis really does heal his illness and it would be great if there were some non-smoking version that could help him. The official medical remedies are not good for him because he has a hard time being very regulated in taking them, which is necessary for bipolar meds.
Brainiac
Haven't you tried baking it in cakes or biscuits?
angrezi
or making bhang? you grind the buds or leaves and mix it with a little flour and ginger I think. I think jijaji knows the recipe.

I was always reluctant to cook my grass other than in a pipe.
Subal
QUOTE (Preyobrazhenya @ Mar 30 2006, 08:19 AM)
Tell us more about the tincture.
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To make the tincture, use a brown glass dropper bottle, add bud as much as you want or can afford to use, add your favorite liquoir (vodka, brandy, tequilla, etc.), place the bottle in a cup of boiling hot water for several minutes, open the top a little about once a minute to let the heating gases escape. It's then good to go. Before using it you can percus it like a homeopath would do by hitting the bottom of the bottle against the palm of your hand thus adding your energy to the mix. You can use it most anywhere if you are discret about it. Just put a drop or more under the tongue.

In Hawai'i, medical cannibis use permits are also available with a doctor's recommendation. Roger helped put that through the legislature also.
Subal
QUOTE (angrezi @ Mar 30 2006, 10:37 AM)
I was always reluctant to cook my grass other than in a pipe.
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Roger says there's a benefit to using raw cannibis as in the tincture or oil just as there's a benefit to eating raw food. I however agree that a pipe is a better way to take the sacrament, esp. when limited amounts are available. Roger also uses a pipe or vaporizer also but only when he can add a pinch of powdered calamus root which is a higher function brain stimulator.
Kula-pavana
if you want to make a really good tincture, place your herb of choice in a 1/1 mixture of Everclear (95% grain alcohol) and vodka - with enough liquid to properly cover the herb (fresh or dry) and to allow for good shaking and mixing.

keep it in a dark place for as long as possible (at least 3 weeks, but 2 moths is much better) and shake once a day or so.

do NOT heat, as it can be both dangerous and detrimental to the stability of the herb chemical contents.

to use, put in a small dropper bottle and squirt half a dropper under your tongue. hold it there as long as you can. it will go into your blood stream quickly from that location.
jijaji
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I think jijaji knows the recipe

I do indeed and have made it myself on several occasions, it's quite lovely
zanardi
QUOTE (Kula-pavana @ Mar 30 2006, 07:57 PM)
if you want to make a really good tincture, place your herb of choice in a 1/1 mixture of Everclear (95% grain alcohol) and vodka - with enough liquid to properly cover the herb (fresh or dry) and to allow for good shaking and mixing.

keep it in a dark place for as long as possible (at least 3 weeks, but 2 moths is much better) and shake once a day or so.

do NOT heat, as it can be both dangerous and detrimental to the stability of the herb chemical contents.

to use, put in a small dropper bottle and squirt half a dropper under your tongue. hold it there as long as you can. it will go into your blood stream quickly from that location.
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Scientists word ya gotta believe! I am curious to hear about the verified health benefits. KP, you seem to have the scientists edge. whistling.gif
Chanahari
Subal, will you introduce the sacrament in your ministry too, or you intend the two to remain separate?
reefersmokinharekrsna
I have heard about the Vaporizer thing, what does that do? Heat? but not burn?

i have seen them advertised for big $
Kula-pavana
QUOTE (zanardi @ Mar 30 2006, 07:15 PM)
I am curious to hear about the verified health benefits.  KP, you seem to have the scientists edge.  whistling.gif
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its a potent herb, for sure. I never used it and never had the desire to try, but I have studied it a bit from an academic point of view. it seems to have a pain killing value in some types of chronic pain, as well as obvious mood enhancing value. as to spiritual value... laugh.gif whatever.... and if I wanted to trip out to the netherworld, peyote is far, far more useful... but then again, why would I want to mess with the ghosts in their own element? that would be pretty retarded...
Subal
QUOTE (Chanahari @ Mar 30 2006, 03:42 PM)
Subal, will you introduce the sacrament in your ministry too, or you intend the two to remain separate?
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I don't have a one size fits all ministry. Even my wife/disciple does not partake of the sacred herb, drink or eat meat. If it works for someone, perhaps.
Subal
QUOTE (reefersmokinharekrsna @ Mar 30 2006, 04:25 PM)
I have heard about the Vaporizer thing, what does that do? Heat? but not burn?

i have seen them advertised for big $
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It heats the herb to a temperature that vaporizes the THC and other desireable elements without any smoke to hurt your lungs. Due to the big $, I have not tried it either.
reefersmokinharekrsna
QUOTE (Subal @ Mar 30 2006, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (reefersmokinharekrsna @ Mar 30 2006, 04:25 PM)
I have heard about the Vaporizer thing, what does that do? Heat? but not burn?

i have seen them advertised for big $
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It heats the herb to a temperature that vaporizes the THC and other desireable elements without any smoke to hurt your lungs. Due to the big $, I have not tried it either.
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jijaji
a combo of vaporized ganja and bhang would get ya in a real festive mood!

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angrezi
QUOTE (Kula-pavana @ Mar 30 2006, 04:58 PM)
its a potent herb, for sure. I never used it and never had the desire to try, but I have studied it a bit from an academic point of view.
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the only way to study it is from the business end of a fat joint
jijaji
you can always call in our pal here --->>> joint.gif
Chanahari
QUOTE (Subal @ Mar 31 2006, 12:13 AM)
Even my wife/disciple does not partake of the sacred herb, drink or eat meat.
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Is the word usage "sacred herb" denote that you indeed believe that this plant is somehow (more) connected to the spiritual (than the other plants)? Like cows and Tulasi plants for the trad. Gaudiyas? Do you revere it religiously?
babu
QUOTE (angrezi @ Mar 30 2006, 11:37 AM)
or making bhang? you grind the buds or leaves and mix it with a little flour and ginger I think. I think jijaji knows the recipe.

I was always reluctant to cook my grass other than in a pipe.
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or inject the buds directly into your veins with a syringe
jijaji
Marijuana Use and Abuse

by herbalist, Brigitte Mars


Marijuana (Cannabis sativa , C. indica, C. ruderalis) is a member of the Cannabaceae Family. The genus name, sativa means "with a long history of cultivation." It also is known as Ganja, Dagga, Bhang, Indian Dreamer, Grass, Pot, Reefer and Tea. Hemp is the name used when discussing the industrial and nonpsychoactive uses of the plant. The name marijuana is a term from Mexican Spanish meaning "intoxicant."

Marijuana has been cultivated for at least 10,000 years and is considered one of the world's oldest cultivated crops. It is native to northern India and Iran and is sacred to Shiva, "Lord of Bhang" and Indra in the Hindu culture.

In 1400 BC, Indian herbals recommended cannabis for anxiety. It is still considered one of the five sacred plants of India. Ayurvedic medicine today recommends cannabis to "increase the joys of married life".

In Chinese medicine, The Shen-Nung recommended marijuana seed for beri-beri, constipation and absent mindedness, female weakness, gout, malaria, rheumatism. In ancient Germany, hemp sprigs were laid on the body to treat convulsions and aid difficult births.

In Africa people would throw cannabis into a fire and inhale. It was also north Africans that developed the water pipe which cooled and purified its smoke. A bit more than 100 years ago, marijuana was recommended for menstrual problems. The seeds are still considered a demulcent laxative, mucilaginous much like flax seed and psyllium are used in America. Marijuana is considered very yin. In magic, marijuana is governed by Saturn.

During Biblical times hemp was used in twelve ways: celebration, ceremony, clothing, cord, fishnet, food, lamp and cooking oil, medicine, paper, relaxation and sails. The Bible was once printed on hemp paper after the invention of the Gutenburg movable type. In the Shinto religion to this day, hemp is a symbol of fertility and purity and symbolic objects such as purification wands, bell robes and priests' robes are made of hemp.

Cannabis grew in North America during prehistoric times perhaps brought here by early explorers and migrating birds. The Ancient Mound Builders' archeological finds yielded evidence of clay pipes containing hemp wrapped in hemp cloth dating from about 400 B.C.

Marijuana seeds were brought to America from England in 1632 by the Pilgrims. By 1762, Virginia farmers were penalized for not growing this plant, as it was such an important useful and economic crop. George Washington grew it at Mount Vernon in 1765. He also pulled up the male plants which increases the potency of psychoactive female plants. Thomas Jefferson advised its cultivation. In 1850, marijuana was America's third largest crop. Between 1840 and 1900 over a hundred published papers recommended Marijuana as medicine. The resin is most concentrated on the flowering tops of the female plants. Marijuana buds and leaves are smoked. Marijuana is not soluble in water as a tea, though is sometimes eaten in foods, though must be cooked in some type of oil for 15 minutes. Tincture of cannabis is used medicinally, though less psychoactive. Hashish is marijuana resin mixed with fat and honey and compressed into cakes.

Seeds are used raw as a food and cooked. Also hemp seed oil is a valuable medicine in addiction recovery and is not psychoactive at all. It can be substituted for flax seed oil. Energetically the leaves are ? seeds are considered sweet and neutral. Marijuana leaves have served humanity as a medicine due to its properties of being analgesic, anesthetic, anticonvulsant, antidepressant, anti-inflammatory, antispasmodic, bronchiodilator, cataleptic, cerebral sedative, cerebral stimulant, demulcent (seeds), euphoric, hallucinogenic, hypnotic, laxative (seeds), nutritive (seeds), sedative and yin tonic (seeds).

It has been used medicinally to treat anorexia (buds, seeds), arthritis pain (buds, seeds), asthma, cerebral palsy , chemotherapy nausea, childbirth pain, spasmodic coughs, depression, glaucoma, insomnia, menstrual cramps, migraines, nausea , nervousness in the elderly, nightmares, pain, paraplegia, piritis (chronic itching), wasting diseases ( buds, seeds) and relief for the terminally ill. Given in tincture form, marijuana has been used for opiate and alcohol addiction.

Marijuana smoke is medicinal for spastic paralysis, has benefited paralysis from brain injuries and relaxes stiff muscles. As for epilepsy, 75 % of patients are helped by allopathic medicines, but 25% cannot handle the side effects and find marijuana helpful as it helps reduce seizure occurrence. It can help MS by relieving painful muscle spasms. It allows people to be relieved of pain and still be able to write, improves bladder control and relaxes tremors . It can help AIDS patients to gain weight. It relaxes the smooth muscles of the bronchioles and increases heart rate. When taken in advance of chemotherapy, it helps counteract nausea by 78%. It reduces the nausea and vomiting during the treatments.

It helps glaucoma, by reducing interocular pressure and preventing the optic nerve from being destroyed. I would have a difficult time thinking of a plant that more medicinal uses.

Important constituents of marijuana leaves are: cannabinoids (tetrahydrocannbinol), flavonoids, volatile oils, alkaloids (cannabisativine, muscarine, trigonelline) and calcium. Seeds contain protein, lipids, choline, inositol and enzymes.

Marijuana's intrinsic value is slight in comparison to other substances. Marijuana affects some people adversely and induces paranoia and personality deviations as well as short term memory loss and perceptual distortions. People can have widely differing effects from marijuana - some becoming introverted while others become extroverted. Some get the giggles, others become serious. Some claim it is an aphrodisiac while others find they become disinterested in sex. Some people feel energized from smoking marijuana, others become lethargic. Some can use it for meditation, while others become confused. Some users enjoy it for sleep, others for helping them clean or do tasks or creative work. Many people claim that they have less dreaming activity when using marijuana and war vets have long used it to deter nightmares. It can also give access to buried memories. Many report enhanced senses of sight, smell and taste. It does not appear to produce a tolerance effect where more is needed.

Marijuana can decrease testosterone levels in men and reduce sperm count. Polyuria also known as frequent urination occurs in some marijuana smokers. According to Chinese medicine, marijuana use depletes the essence of the kidneys and can be weakening to the liver.

In general smoking anything can be hard on the lungs and though cannabis has been used to help asthma and bronchitis, smoking it can also aggravate those conditions. Irritated throat is a common response. Marijuana is a bronchial dilator.

It can overstimulate the appetite, causing a person to put on weight. The "stoned munchies" occur with low blood sugar which occurs several hours after smoking causing intense food cravings, especially for sweets. In some circumstances white blood cell production can be inhibited causing a lowered immune response. Marijuana can also cause red eyes (even if eaten), lazy eyes, where the eyelids droop slightly for a short period of time after use.

Overdose of marijuana can impair coordination, cause paranoia, fatigue or hyperactivity and in rare cases psychosis.

Most of the high is due to THC, tetrahydrocannabinol which was synthesized in 1966. THC is activated by heat. In 1980's receptor sites for THC were identified in the body and have been named anandamide, meaning "bliss." THC induces euphoria and exhilaration. THC accumulates and is stored in fatty tissue. When rats are given THC they learn how to run mazes faster than untreated rats. Marinol was legalized in 1986 and is synthetic THC. It is very expensive. The drug Marinol puts you to sleep and if you have nausea you can't keep down a pill anyways. There is no known lethal dose from marijuana.

An old Sufi saying is "Smoking it occasionally makes you wise. Smoking it too much turns you into a donkey."

Cooking marijuana makes it less a stress on the lungs, but is more expensive and it takes a while for it to "come on." One can be surprised when the effects come on later and one realizes they could have eaten half as much. Also not all of the medicinal components are passed on through the intestines. As smoking lets you know within a few minutes how high you are.

If being drug tested, be aware that being in close proximity such as in a small room or car with burning substances can cause you to test positive.

Set and setting are most important. Sitting in a circle on a rug or ground with a group of friends that you have prayed, smoked and shared with can be very enhancing. Since you have to be close enough to pass a joint or a pipe it encourages closeness and camaraderie. Some guidelines for safe use include:

Use only in moderation. Smoke no more than once a week. Don't combine drugs. Avoid using recreational substances before or when at school at work. Use only on special occasions or weekends. Consider having a right use by using it as a sacrament on a full moon, Easter Sunday, Halloween and when in a beautiful or meaningful place. Not recommended in unsafe settings or with driving or machinery operation.

Offer a prayer of thanksgiving before lighting up. Sit while smoking. Waterpipes, though illegal in many states, actually make cannabis less irritating to smoke.

Marijuana is neither a stimulant or sedative. Many people are able to use it on occasion for social, celebrations or to enjoy the arts. But many get pulled into "the wake and bake" habit. Those that smoke it constantly do not get any profound experiences from it. Daily use tends to produce lethargy. Use can impair judgment of time and space and lower ability to respond so be extra cautious. The combination of alcohol and marijuana is even more impairing than either substance alone.

Withdrawal from marijuana can cause cravings, anxiety, anorexia, depression, hyperactivity, irritability and sleep disturbances.
Nutritional Therapy

Be sure to get adequate protein and avoid bingeing on sweets which will only destabilize blood sugar levels. Choose whole grains such as oatmeal, barley and brown rice and avoid refined flour products. Drink unsweetened cranberry juice diluted 50% with water when giving up marijuana.
Herbal Therapy to Use Less Marijuana

* Anise
* Ashwagandha
* Basil
* Burdock
* Calamus
* Catnip
* Dandelion
* Fennel
* Ginkgo
* Ginseng
* Gotu kola
* Hops
* Kava kava
* Oatstraw
* Passion flower
* Reishi
* Rosemary
* Saint John'swort
* Schizandra
* Siberian ginseng
* Wild lettuce
* Supplement Therapy
* B complex 100 mg. daily
* Vitamin C 300 mg. daily
* Vitamin A 10,000-25,000 daily
* 200 mcg. GTF chromium 4 times daily
* L-glutamine 500 mg. 2 times daily

People with addictive tendencies are more likely to continue their addictions if they continue smoking marijuana. When detoxing from marijuana take 1000 mg. vitamin c every two to four waking hours.

In case of marijuana overdose, drink basil tea, hold on to an amethyst crystal and breathe to feel more grounded, drink lemonade, eat some protein rich food, drink coffee or take a cold shower.
Aromatherapy

For marijuana addiction smell essential oils of basil, cardamom, clary sage and nutmeg.

Hemp is a very renewable crop that can be easily grown without chemicals and as it can be used to make paper, fiber and fuel, it can solve many of the planet's environmental problems. Legalizing hemp would result in less trees being cut for paper, about 1/7 the amount of carbon dioxide residue should we use this for fuel and less dioxin residue from paper made from trees. It also provides lots of oxygen for the planet when growing and can reduce air pollution. Hemp is a plant that can liberate people from their addictions to petrochemicals, cutting down the forests as well as to many prescription and more dangerous recreational drugs. Perhaps because this plant is used in its whole form and is an herb and really not a refined drug its dangers are less. It certainly can be abused, but has much less potential for this than other substances.

From planetherbs.com
jijaji
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An old Sufi saying is "Smoking it occasionally makes you wise. Smoking it too much turns you into a donkey."
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madhavadasa
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4277.html
jijaji
zanardi
Thanks, Jijaji. That elaborate description was exactly what I wanted to read. I feel educated. Thanks FLOWERS.GIF
Subal
QUOTE (Chanahari @ Mar 31 2006, 03:31 AM)
Is the word usage "sacred herb" denote that you indeed believe that this plant is somehow (more) connected to the spiritual (than the other plants)? Like cows and Tulasi plants for the trad. Gaudiyas? Do you revere it religiously?
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I'm not very reverential or religious, but perhaps have an irreverent, irreligious side. Therefore, I would not revere it like Sri Tulasi. However, I have been using it spiritually since 1965. I really believe that it is one of the great sacred plants given humanity by God to help us become God conscious. Back in the 60s, Allen Ginsburgh taught us to chant Om Shiva Shankara Hara Hara Ganja before smoking for protection and a better high. High is a spiritual term. We want that ecstatic vision, that beatific high. Many of Shivas followers in India smoke religiously. In 1975, I became aware of the Rasta religion and identified with that very closely also. You see, I am truly an ecclectic universalist and adopt the best of everything. I must point out that I did not smoke while in ISKCON 1967-74 or while in seminary or serving as a pastor (I drank then. It was much more acceptable.)

Cannabis is used in many cultures spiritually. There's an interesting passage in Jaiva Dharma, where a Gaudiya Vaishnava main character sees a couple of Sri Vaishnavas smoking cannabis under a tree by his house and goes to inquire of them in spiritual matters.

Now, I find it is also the sacred annointing oil, the balm of the nations, etc. Heck, I just know it from much personal experience with many persons, it is a spiritual herb, a sacrament that is able to liberate the mind from a certain level of maya. In the hippie/beat movement, there was always a large group of spiritually minded persons who use herb and LSD sacramentally while others were joy trippers or speed freaks. It is especially good when used with mantra chanting and other raganuga sadhana practices as I do them. I don't say it is good for everyone. Some persons experience a negative effect. I remain clear headed and active. I think if more persons used herb rather than alcohol, ice or tobacco, the world would be a much better place.
jijaji
QUOTE (zanardi @ Apr 1 2006, 05:13 AM)
Thanks, Jijaji.  That elaborate description was exactly what I wanted to read.  I feel educated.  Thanks FLOWERS.GIF
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jijaji
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It is especially good when used with mantra chanting and other raganuga sadhana practices as I do them. I don't say it is good for everyone. Some persons experience a negative effect.

I agree I use it for meditation and the chanting of mantras....

It just works for me graduated.gif
Tapati
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An old Sufi saying is "Smoking it occasionally makes you wise. Smoking it too much turns you into a donkey."


My reaction to this was that if you only smoke it occasionally you are probably already wise.

I've heard it's good for migraines too. Unfortunately speeding up my heart rate is not a good thing. And it also simply puts me to sleep so I decided years ago that I wasn't really into it.
Preyobrazhenya
Thanks to all who posted tincture info. I wonder if my son would get the medicinal benefits without the "high." Since pot can help seizures, this seems to support my son's "medicinal" use. More recently, medications normally used for epilepsy, have been used for bipolar disorder as well. The medical establishment is beginning to think that there may be a connection between bipolar and electrical activity in the brain. I'm going to hunt for more information about this point.

I personally don't care for pot, as it just gives me a migrane headache and makes me sleepy. Still, I don't know why it is illegal in the USA?
madhavadasa
Japanese house made of weed!
babu
QUOTE (jijaji @ Mar 31 2006, 12:32 PM)
Marijuana Use and Abuse

by herbalist, Brigitte Mars
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An old Sufi saying is "Smoking it occasionally makes you wise. Smoking it too much turns you into a donkey."

From planetherbs.com

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this is not true... too much ganja is never enough
Brainiac
So where are all the recipes?

"Cannabis Cookbook".

One time I walked into a bookstore and I suddenly realised that there were a lot of cookbooks around all featuring "green leaves". I flicked through one of them and was astounded at the variety of recipes there were! laugh.gif Whoever knew that people could be so inventive. What's next, the Cannabis Diet? laugh.gif

What a shame I couldn't put any of those recipes to use since I've never touched the stuff.
Subal
Ecumenical Relations

Very good relations exist among the various cannabis ministries here. We went to The 1st Sunday Reggae Church in Glenwood. It’s organized by Jesse Dawn and his band Jah Kine. He gave out free copies of their new CD, “Jah Kine Uprising.” There was another band there too. Not many people were in the audience due to thunder storms, but those who were there seemed very open and welcoming. My wife and I enjoyed dancing during breaks in the rain including a circle dance. It was good talking with a local brah around my age who was very welcoming and accepted us as kama’ainas, children of the land. He invited me to join him and his friends in communion and to visit his ranch whenever I like. That is the true aloha spirit.

Tuesday, Rev. Dan from the Church of Cognizance, a Neo-Zoroastrian cannabis sacrament ministry a couple of blocks away, visited me at my home, sanctuary-temple. We communed and he explained his beliefs and ministry to me. I am not very familiar with Zoroastrianism, so it was interesting to hear his beliefs and practices. We agreed to stay in touch and he said he would refer persons to me.

Wednesday, I again visited Roger at the Hawai’i Cannabis Ministry office. We watched great waves in the bay and long boarders riding them as we talked. He went through the Sanctuary Kit and explained it to me. We also talked of how we could collaborate in ministry. I feel very at home and comfortable with this ministry.

On the way home, I met a neighbor and his friend walking up the hill and gave them a ride to his house. He invited me and my wife to a big birthday party last night at the home of a Rasta neighbor I have gotten to know a little. It was a wonderful gathering with lots of community and love.

I find that the cannabis sacrament definitely helps build community (communion) among many of the diverse persons who live in this area. It is truly the healing herb and balm of the nations. May its spiritual blessing spread.
Aran
QUOTE (Kula-pavana @ Mar 30 2006, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE (zanardi @ Mar 30 2006, 07:15 PM)
I am curious to hear about the verified health benefits.  KP, you seem to have the scientists edge.  whistling.gif
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its a potent herb, for sure. I never used it and never had the desire to try, but I have studied it a bit from an academic point of view. it seems to have a pain killing value in some types of chronic pain, as well as obvious mood enhancing value. as to spiritual value... laugh.gif whatever.... and if I wanted to trip out to the netherworld, peyote is far, far more useful... but then again, why would I want to mess with the ghosts in their own element? that would be pretty retarded...
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Are Shamans then, in your understanding, merely the agents of 'ghosts' ?
Swami Anand Rekkas
QUOTE (jijaji @ Apr 1 2006, 03:00 AM)
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It is especially good when used with mantra chanting and other raganuga sadhana practices as I do them. I don't say it is good for everyone. Some persons experience a negative effect.

I agree I use it for meditation and the chanting of mantras....

It just works for me graduated.gif
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I use it too and it help the visualization pratices while chanting mantras.

At Santo Daime, cannabis was used religiously and called Sant Mary. It´s consacred to the Virgin Mary. The ritual is to receive the joint with the left hand, make the cross sign, smoke 3 times (to sun, moon and stars) and pass with the right hand. There are some very beautiful hyms chanted to Sant Mary.
babu
QUOTE (Swami Anand Rekkas @ Apr 15 2006, 01:33 PM)
QUOTE (jijaji @ Apr 1 2006, 03:00 AM)
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It is especially good when used with mantra chanting and other raganuga sadhana practices as I do them. I don't say it is good for everyone. Some persons experience a negative effect.

I agree I use it for meditation and the chanting of mantras....

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I use it too and it help the visualization pratices while chanting mantras.

At Santo Daime, cannabis was used religiously and called Sant Mary. It´s consacred to the Virgin Mary. The ritual is to receive the joint with the left hand, make the cross sign, smoke 3 times (to sun, moon and stars) and pass with the right hand. There are some very beautiful hyms chanted to Sant Mary.
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i just use it to get high
Swami Anand Rekkas
QUOTE (babu @ Apr 22 2006, 03:11 PM)
i just use it to get high
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Why do you want to get high?
angrezi
QUOTE (Swami Anand Rekkas @ Apr 24 2006, 02:29 AM)
QUOTE (babu @ Apr 22 2006, 03:11 PM)
i just use it to get high
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Why do you want to get high?
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Swami, how can you get our babu high from Brazil?
angrezi
I've been partaking of the Cannbis Sacrament a bit lately. For a while it made me a bit paranoid, but as I advance in my vision of universal oneness I can conquer the unpleasant states of mind like a rogue hit by the King's rod of chastizement . Drinking a few brews helps too, but I think the Sacrament is best sacrificed alone without the barley-bubbly for maximun meditative potential.

My chakras get energised and I didn't know what was going on, which is why I used to get wigged out (when I smoked as a kid it never really happened). Now I can focus my chakric energy more to where I want it, like away from my penis/root towards the crown or third eye. I reccomend the Sacrament as it started my spiritual quest many moons ago. I think the cops in my town will still bust me though, even though I am smoking a chakra enhancement sacrament.
Subal
I agree that the effects of cannabis are better spiritually without the alcohol. As I said, I used to drink regularly. Now hardly at all, mostly for medicinal purposes like brandy for a cold. When I drink now, I notice the negative effect it has on my body. I wonder how I did it so much. I guess I developed a tolerance. Any how, the high is also much higher without it.

Learning to control the mind and the effects the sacrament has on us is of prime importance. I'm able to do business, take graduate level tests and function quite well on it in addition to meditating, which I feel should be done constantly. Others may not.

So far as the police in your area, I don't know. Roger Christie has done ground-breaking work here and says this county is unique. However, it is working in other places also. A lot depends on the sincerity of your convictions and how convincingly you can back them up. See his website if you're interested in finding out more. Aloha.
jijaji
Inhale - Blissout - Transcend

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angrezi
I think that negative states when using psychoactive sustances are an invitation to transcend. The substances must be respected as such, and not used whimsically like I did as a kid, and most of my friends still do. I tried to stay in the whimsical stage but my atman was pushing me forward.

I agree Subal about alcohol. Its not good for much spiritually as far as I can tell, though brews were used by some Euro magickal groups in the days of yore from what I understand. I think It is a closing sustance which is why people in depression and mental distress often use it to shut down channels of energy, while I think marijuana is generally an opening tool. I'm trying to kick the barley habit though.

I read the Cannbis ministry site and will think about it more when I have time. I live in the south however and if anything people are more anal retentive now than they were when I was a teenager it seems. things arent going in the right direction here in other words.
angrezi
when I was young I prided myself on my ability to make fine bongs and pipes from bamboo blanks and other easily obtained items. I only bought a pipe once; it was stone and my friend dropped it and broke the end. I think making one's smoking device with one's own hands it an important part of the sacrament. I unfortunately cannot find the right size bamboo anymore around here. Does anybody in the US have a bamboo section about 3"x 10" they would send me?
angrezi
this may be trivial or off topic but has anyone every tried those grow it yourself magic mushroom kits?
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Dhyana
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