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[evakurvan]

All this effort trying to extricate interestingness from books I would otherwise never want to read just because I like some HK tunes!

"You need a person who is eternal to have a relationship with."

[Milla]

"A truly free person is one who is able to discern the actual physical needs of the body."

My goodness! This is truly one of the most profound thoughts I have read lately. What a gem....

[Vanguard]

"You need a person who is eternal to have a relationship with."

BG Chapter 2, Verse 20.

For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.

[evakurvan]

That is a good addition to that quote Vanguard. I don't have the books anymore only that quote in my notes. But I think the point of that quote was to show that there is no transcendental pleasure to be had from material relationships partly because they are ephemeral and even if there is no falling out, the person you are interacting with willl eventually die anyway. And you can't rely on impermanent phenomenon for happyness. Therefore rely on the deathless Krishna.

This and variations of it is common reasoning to hear when glorifying renunciation in many traditions. I wonder why that BG thought does not automatically come to mind when hearing this reasoning. It does problematize such thinking in some way.

[babu]

Bhuktivedanta was just an ordinary dude until he met a group of hippies in the U.S.

Not so sure of that. I think this man has always been special.

i think what put b.s. on the path of historical impact and what keeps iskcon and other institutions of passive control afloat is due for the most part of people wanting to be led... misled arising out of their inability to ask the bigger questions... sure, their is some bliss in chanting the holy names and so there was a worm on the hook to lure one into the bonafide canning and bottling of vedic culture

i'm actually having some clear visions of this right now if anyone has any questions as i drank (patron silver) so much last night, i was able to time travel

[Adrija]

Bhuktivedanta was just an ordinary dude until he met a group of hippies in the U.S.

Not so sure of that. I think this man has always been special.

i think what put b.s. on the path of historical impact and what keeps iskcon and other institutions of passive control afloat is due for the most part of people wanting to be led... misled arising out of their inability to ask the bigger questions... sure, their is some bliss in chanting the holy names and so there was a worm on the hook to lure one into the bonafide canning and bottling of vedic culture

i'm actually having some clear visions of this right now if anyone has any questions as i drank (patron silver) so much last night, i was able to time travel

Babu,
Aran wants to know if you have sampled psilocybin mead yet ?

[babu]

only psilocybin but not as a brew

[Dhyana]

"Longing for god is non-different from seeing god face to face."

Ah, what a letdown. So it never gets better than that?

[evakurvan]

"Longing for god is non-different from seeing god face to face."

Ah, what a letdown. So it never gets better than that?

I second that.
here here, Dhyana.
(and there there).

[evakurvan]

"A truly free person is one who is able to discern the actual physical needs of the body."

My goodness! This is truly one of the most profound thoughts I have read lately. What a gem....

Haha you laugh at this line Milla but I like it! For all the grand and overarching ideas on what is freedom that exist, aren't we nevertheless trapped by the routine of our bodily requirements and the web of often concocted physical imperatives that we are certain the body absolutely must have to exist properly? And we stress about them. But really what do our bodies really need, they barely need anything. I think there is some serious freedom in realizing that, that I have yet to discover.

Theravadin monks live happy on one meal a day at noon, to most people this would be poverty level famine and social workers would consider parents who feed their kids that way abusive. But to them this is all their body really needs. Similar with sleep.

How much of our physical needs are actual physical needs and how much are concoctions or compensations that nevertheless feel to us as indispensable biological requirements? I think this is a super hard question to answer honestly.

[evakurvan]

People are not used to sitting still so all kinds of very real bodily sensations forcibly obligate us to change positions. How much of this is a superimposition of the restless mind how much of it is hardcore bodily requirement? There was this person after 2 days of a meditation retreat he could not take it anymore from the leg pain and asked the monk to be let out because of it. The monk said wait one more day it will go away. A day passed it did not go away so he asked again and was told to wait one more day and that it would go away. The person thought what kind of power-tripping sadist of a monk is this? The next day the leg pain was gone and he was able to continue.

How much is physical want in our hearts or heads?

[Vanguard]

http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=...er=asc&start=90

I read on that thread that disciples of Siddha eat his toe nail clippings. Well, OK obviously we can't verify if that's true or not due to lack of having the disciples represented here, but is there any Gaudiya Vaishnava sect out there where they eat guru toe nail clippings?

I've bowed down at the feet of elderly gurus and drank the foot bath water without thinking about it too much. But toe nail clippings? That's going too far in my opinion. I mean I went through this toe nail chewing phase but those were my own toe nails. And yes that was disgusting thank you!

[0madhavadasa0]

http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=...er=asc&start=90

I read on that thread that disciples of Siddha eat his toe nail clippings. Well, OK obviously we can't verify if that's true or not due to lack of having the disciples represented here, but is there any Gaudiya Vaishnava sect out there where they eat guru toe nail clippings?

I've bowed down at the feet of elderly gurus and drank the foot bath water without thinking about it too much. But toe nail clippings? That's going too far in my opinion. I mean I went through this toe nail chewing phase but those were my own toe nails. And yes that was disgusting thank you!

You drank foot bath water and thought it was ok? I think you got a problem.

[Tapati]

Well, all the dirt settles to the bottom, so it isn't so bad.

[zanardi]

Still, one has to remember that the first come first served principle worked even in these mercy-distribution matters. Slow ones got what ever they got.

[Pentagram]

http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=...er=asc&start=90

I read on that thread that disciples of Siddha eat his toe nail clippings. Well, OK obviously we can't verify if that's true or not due to lack of having the disciples represented here, but is there any Gaudiya Vaishnava sect out there where they eat guru toe nail clippings?

I've bowed down at the feet of elderly gurus and drank the foot bath water without thinking about it too much. But toe nail clippings? That's going too far in my opinion. I mean I went through this toe nail chewing phase but those were my own toe nails. And yes that was disgusting thank you!

You drank foot bath water and thought it was ok? I think you got a problem.

Wow, what about toe jam? One abhisek at the Manor, a devotee tried to include cow dung. Yuk, I thought, and threw that copper pot content away. I never did get the point of that, God likes being bathed in cow poo? I also never got the cow wee, there were bottles of it in the Manor reception. There were many things I didn't get, these were high on the list.

[Preyobrazhenya]

http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=...er=asc&start=90

I read on that thread that disciples of Siddha eat his toe nail clippings. Well, OK obviously we can't verify if that's true or not due to lack of having the disciples represented here, but is there any Gaudiya Vaishnava sect out there where they eat guru toe nail clippings?

I've bowed down at the feet of elderly gurus and drank the foot bath water without thinking about it too much. But toe nail clippings? That's going too far in my opinion. I mean I went through this toe nail chewing phase but those were my own toe nails. And yes that was disgusting thank you!

You drank foot bath water and thought it was ok? I think you got a problem.

Wow, what about toe jam? One abhisek at the Manor, a devotee tried to include cow dung. Yuk, I thought, and threw that copper pot content away. I never did get the point of that, God likes being bathed in cow poo? I also never got the cow wee, there were bottles of it in the Manor reception. There were many things I didn't get, these were high on the list.

Aw, comeon! I remember one Indian Gentleman who came for festivals and liked to go to our barn do that he could get some fresh urine in production. Meta, if you are reading this - do you have any stories to tell of the healing properties of cow dung and urine?

As for bathing in cow poo - some of us actually like the smell...For me, it is nature personified.

The Zoroastrian Sedra-kusti* initiation ceremony involves the drinking of cow urine - it is called narang. I remember watching a video of this ceremony, which happened to take place during the Christmas season - so along with all the religious paraphanalia there was also a Christmas tree and Father Christmas. In any case, the 12 year old girl seemed to be enjoying the ceremony - but there was a distinct wrinkle of the nose when the narang part came up.

* The coming of age ceremony clothes the youth in a holy undershirt and belt. Holy clothing is found in many religious traditions:
Jewish: tallis katan, worn next to the skin by Orthodox Jewish males 3 and older.
Hindu: brahmana thread (said to be a token of an earlier holy garment like the sedra)
Mormon/LDS: undergarments sewn with square and compass insignia underwear Orthodox Christian: Monastic schema, baptismal robes (with which a cross presented is worn throughout one's life - essentially the neck cross worn by the Orthodox Christians symbolizes the entire baptismal outfit)
Catholic: Scapular - again this is often more of a token like the cross, than an actual piece of clothing.

[metamorphosis]

Preyobrazhenya: As for bathing in cow poo - some of us actually like the smell...For me, it is nature personified.
       

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[ePiTau]

whatso special about this thread?
I can login at any given point in time, any day, any week, any month, and there is at least one dude (always the same IP) viewing this thread.

There must be something here I'm not getting.
clues any ??

[ePiTau]

hey, hey,
and guess what, right precisely after posting the above, Google also came over to check out the thread:
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Guest 66.249.67.134 is Google.com

But the other dude, the non-google dude who sits there permanently on the thread, lives on a tiny German network, really, what are they up to?
must be kali yuga, or the aliens are here, pretending to be Germans . . .

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