Norway under attack! Options

[darwin]

There is something happening in Israel.. There has not been any mention of this in the Australian media..

Why would you expect news media in Australia or Europe to cover events in Israel? I am very interested in what is going on in Zimbabwe but I don't expect to just see articles about it on a regular American news website. I go to a website that covers that part of the world. So much of Europe and Australia is fixated on Israel and Jewish society. I think the leftist societies of Europe and Australia need to look at what they have done to themselves and how miserable their so-called "Liberal" Christian culture of social death and suicide has made them instead of carrying on the crusade trying to force the Jews of Israel to behave like white people.

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[darwin]

I think the leftist societies of Europe and Australia need to look at what they have done to themselves and how miserable their so-called "Liberal" Christian culture of social death and suicide has made them instead of carrying on the crusade trying to force the Jews of Israel to behave like white people.

I think this is what is at the heart of the matter. Certain parts of classic European antisemitism have been retained but are directed at all people of white European ancestry. The so-called liberals of Europe feel their bigotry is now justified because they direct it also at themselves. This is the modern outgrowth of the Christian cult of suicide and self loathing. What enrages these people is that the Jews of Israel refuse to think of themselves as white people and offer themselves up as human sacrifices to this Christian "Liberal" cult of self crucifixion. It is very much like what you see with frustrated people following the ISKCON rules of self annihilation resenting those who don't.

[Kalisurfer]

Is this story being told in the media where you live?

I checked the on-line Dutch newspapers but I can't find anything about these protests, but The New York Times has this and Euronews this.

I see small stories of Israeli protests buried in the International News section of the Washington Post, and Amy Goodman of Democracy Now brings it up on her TV/Radio show.

Democracy Now video on Israeli unrest

Washington Post on Israeli Unrest

[darwin]

I see small stories of Israeli protests buried in the International News section of the Washington Post..

I really want to go. Have any of you ever been there?

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[Kalisurfer]

I think the leftist societies of Europe and Australia need to look at what they have done to themselves and how miserable their so-called "Liberal" Christian culture of social death and suicide has made them instead of carrying on the crusade trying to force the Jews of Israel to behave like white people.

I think this is what is at the heart of the matter. Certain parts of classic European antisemitism have been retained but are directed at all people of white European ancestry. The so-called liberals of Europe feel their bigotry is now justified because they direct it also at themselves. This is the modern outgrowth of the Christian cult of suicide and self loathing. What enrages these people is that the Jews of Israel refuse to think of themselves as white people and offer themselves up as human sacrifices to this Christian "Liberal" cult of self crucifixion. It is very much like what you see with frustrated people following the ISKCON rules of self annihilation resenting those who don't.

I'm in a bad mood today, so here it goes.

Where do you get your information Darwin? Your usage of the term Liberal and Leftist and how it's a culture of suicide and social suicide, bigoted and full of self hatred and a cult of self crucifixion could be considered cartoonish if not for its relation to the severity of what this thread is all about, the attack, destruction and murder caused by a crazed ultra conservative rightist named Anders Behring Breivik.

This guy was so fixated in looking Aryan that he had plastic surgery to look more pure in that regard. His 1,518-page manifesto, which includes terrorist techniques and tactics and calls for mass executions of “traitors,” rails against Muslim migration into Europe, “political correctness” and “multiculturalism,” and he takes aim at what he calls “cultural Marxists", whom I suppose are the same leftist you are writing about Darwin. Your constant anti left diatribes in light of what happened here seem rather insensitive. You really need to read and listen outside your present sources and get a more balanced perspective, for all you are doing presently is supporting the crazed manifesto and the dude who wrote it by saying the many things you do.

This wannabe never served in any armed forces, yet dressed up like some GI Joe on steroids, and when he finally finished off his shooting carnage on the Norwegian Island, playing video game shoot them up in real life, only this time the blood, flesh and bone flying into the air was very real and not digital, the dude does not fight the armed police when they came ashore like the good soldier he imagined himself to be, but puts down his arms and gives up with a cowards whimper.

This guy is crazy, the kind of crazy that kills, the kind of crazy that makes up anti-left, anti Muslim 1,518 manifestos that seems to be way to frightening similar to what you say here, so it goes I guess. You have the freedom to do all this, to go on web sites and spout your off kilter on the fringe theories, much like Breivik did, but as I stated before in a message to you, please stay away from plastic surgery, uniforms, guns and fertilizer and stick to reading SDG sex novels and spending your summers on the beach impressing the girls with your weightlifting prowess, cause right now, your words seem to be put here just to piss off people like myself, which it does, so I guess you have accomplished something today.

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Just another unhinged cowardly wannabee sucked into the vortex of ultra conservative right wing fanaticism.

[Kalisurfer]

I see small stories of Israeli protests buried in the International News section of the Washington Post..

I really want to go. Have any of you ever been there?

I did spend 3 months in Israel in the late 70's. Most of my time was spent in the Norther Galilee area, not far from the Golan Heights on one end and the Lebanese border on the other. I drove through the West Bank which was possible at the time. The Israeli people were warm, gracious and wonderful, as were the Palestinians. The roadblocks into the Palestinian territories were hard to watch, as hundreds of cars lined up to be searched before being allowed to enter, as were the living conditions in the refugee camps, which I hope now most are torn down.

It is amazing what the Israeli's have been able to build out of a very barren landscape, and yes, I fell in love with the country and the people, but not its politics. Much has changed and transpired since I visited, but I know the country is as much a Democracy as can be found in that part of the world, and it has a diverse population that seem to be unable to agree on anything but to defend itself when threatened. That said, I feel and hope the Palestinians can finally have a homeland also, knowing that if they could embody a Gandhian approach of non-violence, they would get the world on their side and put pressure upon the Israeli government to negotiate in good faith, but instead hotter heads prevail, and the tit or tat retaliation goes on, the Palestinians being a pawn in the greater game of MidEast power brokers in the Arab and Iranian world, while Israel tethered to strains of fundamentalist Judaic factions that say they are there under some divine principle to hold all lands in that area.

I agree with what you say in regards to how the 19th and 20th century anti-semitism and the culmination of it in Nazi Germany has led to the problems that exists in the Middle East with the Israelis and Palestinians, but saying that left wing Marxist influences are presently involved seems rather strange and not based on any real information or evidence.

[darwin]

Kalisurfer I just wrote this for you. I need to lift weights so I can't read your above 2 posts yet. And it looks like something good I should save like a dessert to read slowly. Here is this:

I read media from all different sides the issue. I find this is the only way to figure out what is really going on. I feel I need to challenge my views about what is right and wrong. A couple of the websites I look at, the Horowitz site and Antiwar.com, are like mortal enemies to each other. You on the other hand seem to want to consume your media to reconfirm your ideas and reassure yourself that you already have it all figured out. Or that someone else already has it all figured out for you. I find it best to not be attached to reality being a certain way. Then when I find out it is not, I actually get a thrill out of the discovery. You see me argue here and the other day you said you will refuse to read what I wrote and said I seem like a terrorist. But my strong arguments I put here are not so much from strong beliefs and strong emotional attachments to these beliefs. My sometimes shrill argument style is simply my attempt at counter propaganda to counter the current political status quoe. Anyone one who disagrees with certain "Liberal" dogmas is considered a subhuman racist whatever-phobe. I like to sometimes use the same method to counter this. I think this is important. I grew up being told the most important thing in life is to learn from what happened with German society in World War II. The closest we in America got to genocide in the last century was the rounding up and internment of the Japanese. If the war went bad like it did for Germany with millions of our American boys getting killed the Japanese would probably have been gassed. Remember the Atomic bombs. It really turned my world upside down to find out it was the leftist Liberal establishment that pushed for interment of the Japanese. The Jewish Anti Defamation League, Dr Seuss, etc. all favored internment. My Grandfather was targeted by and deposed by McCarthy's Un-American Activities Committee. My parents were tracked by the FBI with the FBI parked outside our house to bust fugitives if they tried to visit. But after studying history I see that some of what McCarthy did was right and it is all lies about how he was brought down. I found the Left terrorized Americans beginning in World War I up through World War II. Many of the worst of these switched sides in the 1950's. I urge you to study history and dialog with people who disagree with views you hold.

[Kalisurfer]

Kalisurfer I just wrote this for you. I need to lift weights so I can't read your above 2 posts yet. And it looks like something good I should save like a dessert to read slowly. Here is this:

I read media from all different sides the issue. I find this is the only way to figure out what is really going on. I feel I need to challenge my views about what is right and wrong. A couple of the websites I look at, the Horowitz site and Antiwar.com, are like mortal enemies to each other. You on the other hand seem to want to consume your media to reconfirm your ideas and reassure yourself that you already have it all figured out. Or that someone else already has it all figured out for you. I find it best to not be attached to reality being a certain way. Then when I find out it is not, I actually get a thrill out of the discovery. You see me argue here and the other day you said you will refuse to read what I wrote and said I seem like a terrorist. But my strong arguments I put here are not so much from strong beleifs and strong emotional attachments to these beliefs. My sometimes shrill argument style is simply my attempt at counter propaganda to counter the current political status quoe. Anyone one who disagrees with certain "Liberal" dogmas is considered a subhuman racist whatever-phobe. I like to sometimes use the same method to counter this. I think this is important. I grew up being told the most important thing in life is to learn from what happened with German society in World War II. The closest we in America got to genocide in the last century was the rounding up and internment of the Japanese. If the war went bad like it did for Germany with millions of our American boys getting killed the Japanese would probably have been gassed. Remember the Atomic bombs. It really turn my world upside down to find out it was the leftist Liberal establishment that pushed for interment of the Japanese. The Jewish Anti Defamation League, Dr Seuss, etc. all favored internment. My Grandfather was targeted by and deposed by McCarthy's Un-American Activities Committee. My parents were tracked by the FBI with the FBI parked outside our house to bust fugitives if they tried to visit. But after studying history I see that some of what McCarthy did was right and it is all lies about how he was brought down. I found the Left terrorized Americans beginning in World War I up through World War II. Many of the worst of these switched sides in the 1950's. I urge you to study history and dialog with people who disagree with views you hold.

I talk with people who think differently than myself as much as I can, I also read and visit news and information sites that are conservative and right wing to get a wider perspective, which is why it is easy to see where much of your ideas come from. I also read as much about history as time allow me. So thanks for the personal history that you have given, I think I would of liked your Grandfather very much. The fact that you find sympathy and side with Senator McCarthy of the early 50's is not surprising, for you have fallen into believing revisionist right wing history as far as I can tell, the guy was a moral cowardly power monger who got what he deserved after harming thousands of people through his commie anti-semetic witch hunts of the time.

Yeah, I have fallen for the bait you are swinging and have responded to you, which is what happens when a person gets angry and loses personal perspective, especially when right wing historical revisionist politics come to the forefront, which is probably just as bad as any from the far left. The funny thing is that I'm not really a liberal/leftist, or even that political, but feel old and learned enough to see when the fringes gets unhinged.

[darwin]

Kalisurfer I read your 2 posts. (not the one above yet) If someone writes a book of political opinions and then kills a bunch of people, does that make it so that we never have to think for ourselves again and can just use his book of opinions as an anti-Bible containing all the opposites of the beliefs we must hold? Are you really depending on this guy to have been wrong on every opinion he had so we can now just be the opposite of him? I think of this killer's politics as just another branch of European socialism. I don't think we should get involved with and make judgments about the politics and society of Norway and whether it is good or bad to have Muslim immigration there. Here in America we have free market capitalism and a good constitution with limited sovereignty of the individual states. I feel we should just dump the whole socialist project, let the Fed bankrupt and let in 200,000,000 immigrants. (actually we are already doing this) America's business is business.

[darwin]

I talk with people who think differently than myself as much as I can, I also read and visit news and information sites that are conservative and right wing to get a wider perspective, which is why it is easy to see where much of your ideas come from.

What websites do you read to get American history from a true conservative libertarian viewpoint?

[Kalisurfer]

Kalisurfer I read your 2 posts. (not the one above yet) If someone writes a book of political opinions and then kills a bunch of people, does that make it so that we never have to think for ourselves again and can just use his book of opinions as an anti-Bible containing all the opposites of the beliefs we must hold? Are you really depending on this guy to have been wrong on every opinion he had so we can now just be the opposite of him?

No I don't believe the concept or belief that you are inferring I have or accusing me of. I think utlra-right wing politics have killed enough people to last the rest of human history on this planet, but we are talking about the Norway attack and Anders Behring Breivik are we not? I can't help how you loosely use terms concerning the left, liberals, socialist and communists, mixing it all in until it becomes intellectually incomprehensible. If you want to find value and issues in Breiik's manifesto that resonate with you, than that is your right to do, just be careful in trying to institute it into reality. He may like the color red and the font Times Roman, not to mention whole wheat bread, so I guess I could would condemn him for that, but his political rantings are something I would choose not to entertain, for I find them highly unreliable.

I think of this killer's politics as just another branch of European socialism.

This is kind of statements that make me want to not read any further, for it is based on nothing that is real, but I did anyway.

I don't think we should get involved with and make judgments about the politics and society of Norway and whether it is good or bad to have Muslim immigration there. Here in America we have free market capitalism and a good constitution with limited sovereignty of the individual states. I feel we should just dump the whole socialist project, let the Fed bankrupt and let in 200,000,000 immigrants. (actually we are already doing this) America's business is business.

I have no words or time worthy to continue any further, I rest my case.

[Kalisurfer]

I talk with people who think differently than myself as much as I can, I also read and visit news and information sites that are conservative and right wing to get a wider perspective, which is why it is easy to see where much of your ideas come from.

What websites do you read to get American history from a true conservative libertarian viewpoint?

Why do you want to know?

For what it matters and for reasons I do not understand, I went to the bookmarks in my web browser to find the right wing conservative websites that I have tagged and go back to in order to understand how ideologist there think.


Accuracy in Media

Freedom Works

Fox News

Frum Forum

The Future of Freedom Foundation

The Independent Institute

Michelle Malkin

Ron Paul

Rush Limbaugh

Insight Magazine

The Wanderer

Vision Forum Ministries

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Do I pass or fail your test, or will you now turn me on to the real absolute truth?

[darwin]

The fact that you find sympathy and side with Senator McCarthy of the early 50's is not surprising, for you have fallen into believing.. monger who got what he deserved after harming thousands of people through his commie anti-semetic witch hunts..

Please watch the McCarthy Army hearings sometime. McCarthy's assistant was very much a humorless lawyer type Jew. For this he is still to this day targeted as a hate object. This assistant was also a screaming homosexual. This is the guy McCarthy chose to work with and be a friend to. Watch the hearing and you see the opponents of McCarthy in public hearing terrorizing McCarthy's assistant with the words "pixie" and "fairy" threatening to out him so he won't defend McCarthy. This assistant ended up a really cool gay dude out of the closet hanging out with Andy Warhol years later.

[darwin]

Kalisurfer please don't leave me again.

[Kalisurfer]

Kalisurfer please don't leave me again.

I never knew we were together ... oh, oh, you know that this is how rumors get started I think?

I'm still here, no matter how far off the political edge you may be climbing or clinging onto, or how strangely commie you believe I am, or possibly am.

There is a mix of good and bad in everyone, the light and the shadow, no religious, political, social, intellectual way of thinking or being is all pure and right. We all take in what is offered to us via others and our personal experiences, so we formulate and percolate with this menagerie of over-information, facts, figure, rumors, possibilities, thoughts, theories and fake mental objects created by those who have agendas.

I don't doubt that Senator McCarthy was not a total boogie man, devil incarnate, evil menace from meanieville, but he definately had his moment in the sun, just as Anders Breivik recycled his newspapers and had nice cheekbones implanted, but we read, think and evaluate to the best that we can at each given moment, then we share.

Yeah, I was having a bad day and picked your post to unleash the opposite, so we grin and bear it, I'm no righty and could be wrongy, but sometimes history has facts we can't deny, and the far right has left plenty of smoke and grave sites to not ignore. So we just drink more rice milk, less homogenized cow juice, smile and help others, even on the beach with suntan lotion, just not with fertilizer from the farm.

So I'm still here, wanting to know more about Andy Warhol and Roy Cohen's interaction in the lofts of New York City?