On conspiracy theories, split off from the Global Warming topic Options

[kalki]

I saw some movies recently that say that Global Warming is just a big fallacy and is promoted to scare the innocent public into allowing goverments to create insane policies which raise the prices of oil. Here is a good link to some information about the dangerous administration of U S president Barrack Obama.

http://www.barackobamaantichrist.blogspot.com/

And here is another link to some additional information about the New World Order:

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/index.html

[Kalisurfer]

I saw some movies recently that say that Global Warming is just a big fallacy and is promoted to scare the innocent public into allowing goverments to create insane policies which raise the prices of oil. Here is a good link to some information about the dangerous administration of U S president Barrack Obama.

http://www.barackobamaantichrist.blogspot.com/

And here is another link to some additional information about the New World Order:

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/index.html

Kalki, welcome back to posting on GR, but I'm unsure what your motivation is in posting these links, for after looking at the two websites you invited us to see, it was not hard to research and find that both are based on Fundamentalist Christian / Fringe far right conservative political interest.

The film “The Obama Deception” was created by Alex Jones, a well-known right wing radio talk show host, whose film was made quickly right after Obama was elected president, and released after his inauguration. Alex Jones whole financial livelihood is based on conspiracies that link the problem to the political left, with the solution being on the far political right. His films show real problems that exist, but he scapegoats the left and especially hates Obama with a passion, taking his speeches, making creative cuts which are then pasted together to take words out of context, which imply sinister implications to prove his pseudo fear mongering theories.

The first blog you link to is called “Barack Obama AntiChrist”, does that not alone send up warning signals to the information contained within it?

The second link is called “Jerimiah Project”, which is all based on Biblical Prophecy, it debases not only Obama, but gays and lesbians, environmentalist, atheists, professors in higher education and scientist/ science in general. I find this site highly offensive and strange.

One has to find the sources of their online information and be critical with it all, ask your self what is the motivation behind the information, what special interest lie behind it all, for just because it’s on the web, it does not automatically mean its true.

I have met devotee’s and exdevotee’s that are drawn to the Christian Right and its politics, for somehow those values are not too far off from those of fundamentalist Vaishnava’s. You are obviously drawn to conspiracy theories, and there is much in the world to be skeptical about, but these sites are bottom feeders in my estimation, which most likely then just puts me into the enemies conspiratorial camp. I'm all for letting information and debate be out there in the world for the public to see and discuss, but some information is just shouting, "Look at me, I hate all that I and my faith disagrees with, so you better get on my side, cause I'm right and your wrong, and it's the only way to be ... not to mention it pays the wing nut pundits well!"

Are you now a born again Christian Kalki, or is it just a coincidence that these websites have right wing religious connections, and you just happen to agree with their politics and conspiracy theories? Are there not plenty of other websites that have the same political far right messages but are not religiously connected?

In the USA during the Bush years, Global Warming as a theory was resisted and debunked, so it was popular for anti-establishment types to take to the theory as credibal and alternative, but now that it is accepted by the Obama administration, it is suddenly questioned as some type of One World Order theory. Science needs to be de-politicized, that is ... if one even believes in the plausibility of science in the first place.

Obama is pissing of the politically far left and right ... which to me sends the message that as flawed as he may be, he may be onto something.

[kalki]

Kalki, welcome back to posting on GR, but I'm unsure what your motivation is in posting these links, for after looking at the two websites you invited us to see, it was not hard to research and find that both are based on Fundamentalist Christian / Fringe far right conservative political interest.

The film “The Obama Deception” was created by Alex Jones, a well-known right wing radio talk show host, whose film was made quickly right after Obama was elected president, and released after his inauguration. Alex Jones whole financial livelihood is based on conspiracies that link the problem to the political left, with the solution being on the far political right. His films show real problems that exist, but he scapegoats the left and especially hates Obama with a passion, taking his speeches, making creative cuts which are then pasted together to take words out of context, which imply sinister implications to prove his pseudo fear mongering theories.

What is my motivation? Just to offer some links that give us information about the global warming debate which is what someone asked about. Frankly, I don't know much about the maker of the film, but my reading of the film is that he repeatedly shows that it is not about left or right, republican or democrat. Both parties are controlled by private interest groups, ie. bankers, corporations, etc. The information about a new world order has come out of the mouths of so many US presidents and so to not take notice seems foolish. Of course private bankers will secure their wealth if they control all the nations. The Rothchilds fortune was challenged by Nazi Germany. It is not a conspiracy theory to know that Rothchild and Rockfeller make money on wars as do other smart business people like Dick Chenney for selling weapons to the nations at war. Ford made the ovens for the holocaust. The oil companies don't want hemp fuel to take hold because they lose money. Etc, etc, etc. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy reality. It is an agenda of certain people to become powerful.

And no I am not a born again christian.

[Kalisurfer]

What is my motivation? Just to offer some links that give us information about the global warming debate which is what someone asked about.

I support your right to state your views Kalki, and give links for further information and video feeds, but I found one of your links to be problematic in the sense that it was coming from a fundamentalist Christian right wing source, the 'Jeremiah Project,' which outside of pointing to One World Government conspiracy theories, does actively debase homosexuality and environmentalism as not only morally and politically dangerous, but sinful. The other site did not have religious content per se but was called 'Barack Obama Antichrist' and was filled with faux spiritual imagery that included Obama. It was because of those religious connections I was asking about your motivation.

Frankly, I don't know much about the maker of the film, but my reading of the film is that he repeatedly shows that it is not about left or right, republican or democrat. Both parties are controlled by private interest groups, ie. bankers, corporations, etc.

The creator of the film "The Obama Deception" is Alex Jones, a talk radio host in Austin, Texas who ran for the state legislature as a Republican in 2000, but pulled out of the race before the actual election since he trailed far behind in the polls. Though he calls himself a conservative libertarian, he supports any and all positions held by the far right and the Republican Party. He rarely goes after Republicans, though George Bush was so incompetent that he did criticize him. He used his local celebrity power and political friends to get some local access cable channels programs thrown off the air because they were too liberal for his taste. He has strong professional and personal connections to fundamentalist evangelist Rev. Ted Pike (National Prayer Network) and the Rev. Lindsey Williams.

Alex Jones has a political agenda filled with self interest, the first was public office which he failed at, so now his goal is to attract as much attention to fill his own pocket books with profits from his radio show sponsors and the marketing of his films. If you feel mistrust and betrayed by the government, then there are plenty of minnie media stars willing to exploit anger, fear and concern—turning them all into profits for themselves. We have to be careful who is informing us, for although we may agree with them, their motives may not be pure. Those once tricked by corrupt gurus may indeed be apt to make mistakes following corrupt media pundits, so I'm always questioning myself when I agree too much or start following any one politician, party or media network or commentator. The graphic below from a promotion of the Alex Jones radio show should alone tell someone he has a political agenda that runs on the far edge of far right.

(Graphic below from the Alex Jones Show website on a particular show featuring the Rev. Ted Pike)

The information about a new world order has come out of the mouths of so many US presidents and so to not take notice seems foolish. Of course private bankers will secure their wealth if they control all the nations. The Rothchilds fortune was challenged by Nazi Germany. It is not a conspiracy theory to know that Rothchild and Rockfeller make money on wars as do other smart business people like Dick Chenney for selling weapons to the nations at war. Ford made the ovens for the holocaust. The oil companies don't want hemp fuel to take hold because they lose money. Etc, etc, etc. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy reality. It is an agenda of certain people to become powerful.

I've heard of these accusations for years Kalki, maybe its true, maybe its not, all depends on which media or pundits you put your faith in. I do know that the purpose of Capitalism to secure as much profit as it can, so it does need checks and balances, and no doubt it was given free reign in the Bush years, so the greed it can spawn in individuals has to always be watched, history as you say is filled with examples of monopolies and kingpins. You are right about both political parties being beholden to corporate money, the whole system of financing elections has to change, but it will be a hard thing to get through.

You are positive and sure about conspiracy theory being a reality, and I would love to know how you know with such certainty? What the proof that cannot be challenged? I think their are conspiracies, but the grand ones you speak of seem rather impossible due to human frailty, mistakes, stupidity, and counter sense of individuality that causes people to blow whistles and leak information when they disagree. You make those in charge too smart and cunning than they actually are. It's hard to pull off a cover up anymore, it involves too many people to keep the faith and silence. That's just my opinion based on meeting many people who work for the government in Washington DC, but it sure is more fun to think of cabals and secret organizations running their tentacles behind the scenes, controlling everything with their dark powers. I don't doubt that there are individuals who would like to do this, to have this power, and as much as some try, I think it is a very hard to actually pull off. It's mostly a bloated, thick, beuracratic mess in government, even in large corporations, but they try, and we have to keep vigilant to stop them, only in trying to do so, we have to wade through the informational garbage heap available on the web to find good sources to rely on, and for me personally, Alex Jones and the 2 web sites you posted, were just not that reliable and forthcoming as to their agenda and purpose.

As for Henry Ford making the ovens for Nazi Concentration camps, where did you get that information from? Henry Ford was an anti-semite and did invest in German industry before the Nazi's took control of the county and for a bit into their regime, but this was all before the war started, so in effect he did help in roundabout way in building it's military industrial might, but once Germany invaded Poland, he did nothing but build tanks and planes for the allies and the US during the war, though I'd bet he kept his anti semitic ways till the grave. Next to the suburb of Detroit that he lived and built his huge Rouge Plant in, Dearborn, Michigan, he started a suburb called Inskter nearby, just so that blacks could live there, for none were allowed to live in Dearborn.

And no I am not a born again christian.

It should not matter if you are or not, but most devotee's or ex-devotees do not go in that direction. I only questioned you in that regard because of the two links you gave in original post, though perhaps you were trying to put that agenda onto the forum, but I can see that you just see One World Government conspiracy as a political and social reality outside any particular religious faith some of its believers maintain.

Thanks for bringing up the topic and links Kalki, it sure did bring me to my attention and it has been nice to debate some of the motivations and information it all provided. I agree with your concerns, we have to be vigilant and stand up against any type of real Governmental/Corporate tyranny and hegemony.

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[ePiTau]

in trying to do so, we have to wade through the informational garbage heap available on the web

Well-said, Kali. At first I read "information garbage heap that IS the www." It is amazing how one can literally superimpose on a text what's on one's own mind and think it was actually written there. Perhaps it is also a side effect of the garbage web flood – one can't give full attention to so much junk all of the time (which is not in any hidden way supposed to be interpreted as me saying you wrote so much junk, ok?). In one sense the web is like the proverbial paradise where trash and truth amicably live side by side in complete harmony. ha ha comes to mind the trash handed out by the Jehova's Witnesses showing tigers and lambs (and blacks and whites) schmoozing in the garden of Eden.

[kalki]

What is my motivation? Just to offer some links that give us information about the global warming debate which is what someone asked about.

I support your right to state your views Kalki, and give links for further information and video feeds, but I found one of your links to be problematic in the sense that it was coming from a fundamentalist Christian right wing source, the 'Jeremiah Project,' which outside of pointing to One World Government conspiracy theories, does actively debase homosexuality and environmentalism as not only morally and politically dangerous, but sinful.

The information about a new world order has come out of the mouths of so many US presidents and so to not take notice seems foolish. Of course private bankers will secure their wealth if they control all the nations. The Rothchilds fortune was challenged by Nazi Germany. It is not a conspiracy theory to know that Rothchild and Rockfeller make money on wars as do other smart business people like Dick Chenney for selling weapons to the nations at war. Ford made the ovens for the holocaust. The oil companies don't want hemp fuel to take hold because they lose money. Etc, etc, etc. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy reality. It is an agenda of certain people to become powerful.

I've heard of these accusations for years Kalki, maybe its true, maybe its not, all depends on which media or pundits you put your faith in. I do know that the purpose of Capitalism to secure as much profit as it can, so it does need checks and balances, and no doubt it was given free reign in the Bush years, so the greed it can spawn in individuals has to always be watched, history as you say is filled with examples of monopolies and kingpins. You are right about both political parties being beholden to corporate money, the whole system of financing elections has to change, but it will be a hard thing to get through.

You are positive and sure about conspiracy theory being a reality, and I would love to know how you know with such certainty?

As for Henry Ford making the ovens for Nazi Concentration camps, where did you get that information from? Henry Ford was an anti-semite and did invest in German industry before the Nazi's took control of the county and for a bit into their regime, but this was all before the war started, so in effect he did help in roundabout way in building it's military industrial might, but once Germany invaded Poland, he did nothing but build tanks and planes for the allies and the US during the war, though I'd bet he kept his anti semitic ways till the grave. Next to the suburb of Detroit that he lived and built his huge Rouge Plant in, Dearborn, Michigan, he started a suburb called Inskter nearby, just so that blacks could live there, for none were allowed to live in Dearborn.

1. the Jeremiah Prophet site is against homosexuality and environmentalism
2. that they previous US presidents have not necessarily spoken about a NWO and that it is just the rendering of media pundits
3. I am positive about conspiracy theory
4. Henry Ford was not reponsible for making ovens at the concentration camps


Sorry I am not aware of how to quote bits and pieces of your comments, so I have put them in a bunch above and made a list of what I think your claims are toward my ideas. And now I will respond to those points that I am perceiving:

1. I just don't know where the site is against homosexuals and the environment. And even if they did do that, I don't think that removes their right to see that corporations are controlling politicians and creating a new world order.

2. It seems that the mentions of a new world order by presidents have been documented by historians and not media pundits. I will post in another post, the history of the New World Order from wikipedia, but here is at least one interesting citation of Woodrow Wilson about the creation of the Federal Reserve

Wilson, on his deathbed, admitted his error, saying that allowing the Federal Reserve to be founded was a betrayal of his country.

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world-- no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men." -- President Woodrow Wilson


3. I am not sure what you mean by "I am so sure about conspiracy theory." Is anything I have said a conspiracy theory? Most of what I believe is influenced by people who have done research and present evidence and post it publicly for food for thought. Conspiracy theory is something that seriously lacks any basis whatsoever and therfore is a theory and nothing more. I think ideas like mankind was spawn of the union of giants from another planet and monkeys because the giants came here in search of gold in order to shield their atmosphere from the sun's harmful radiation is more in the category of conspiracy theory. It is not fair to label investigations of a corporate world takeover which is led and facilitated by America is fair to label as a theory only, because there is a lot of facts being looked at. When it is put all together, then it is maybe still a theory because it is not yet proven, but the term "conspiracy theory" as I am sure you know is kinda derogatory or belittling. And by the way, I don't know why you automatically think that I am a believer in conspiracy theory just because I posted some links. I believe that you are reading much into my posting and it might be due to your spending way more time than me on either side of the argument of these conspiracy theories and you may be projecting a lot of views on to me, such as automatically assuming that I affiliate myself with fundamentalist christian views.

For what it is worth, here is a well put statement on whether this is a theory or simply an orchestrated agenda of individuals from your favorite website, the jeramiah prophet:

Conspiracy Theory or Fact?

While many people dismiss the New World Order as a conspiracy theory, it is neither a conspiracy nor a theory. It may be true there are many conspirators working within the New World Order, in it's broader application, the New World Order is really more of an agenda by a group of international elites that control and manipulate governments, industry and media organizations worldwide. Any intelligent person examining history and events occurring today cannot describe it as a theory either, rather the New World Order is clearly documented in historical documents in both the words and actions of world leaders.

And it seems that a lot of the secret society stuff is just not that secret. People find out about things that go on in secret university fraternities. A lot of the New World Order theory is nothing more than an investigation of fraternities throughout time. Do you think that objecting to hazing at fraternities is bordering on conspiracy theory or is it just sensible to investigate and stop things from harming others? Here is some info about a secret society that many of the US Presidents belong to:

The Skull & Bones Society

The origin of the Skull & Bones Society, once known as The Brotherhood of Death, in the U.S. begins at Yale when a group of men established an organization for the purpose of drug smuggling. Indeed, many American and European fortunes were built on the China (opium) trade. [The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones] The society's alumni organization, which owns its properties and oversees all the organization's activity, is known as the Russell Trust Association (R.T.A.), and is named after one of Bones' founding members.

It still exists today only at Yale and has evolved into more an organization dedicated to the success of it's members after leaving the collegiate world. The shape of that success can only be left to speculation. The Skull & Bones Society has been described as the most secretive organization in the world.

Bush and BlairGeorge BushSome of the world's most famous and powerful men alive today are "bonesmen," including George Bush, John Kerry, Nicholas Brady, and William F. Buckley. Other bonesmen include U.S. President William Howard Taft, Morrison R. Waite (Chief Justice of the Supreme Court), Henry Luce (Time-Life), Harold Stanley (founder of Morgan Stanley), John Daniels (founder of Archer Daniels Midland), Henry P. Davison (senior partner Morgan Guaranty Trust), Pierre Jay (first chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York), Artemus Gates (President of New York Trust Company, Union Pacific, TIME, Boeing Company), Senator John Chaffe, Russell W. Davenport (editor Fortune Magazine), the first presidents of the University of California, Johns Hopkins University, and Cornell University, and many others.

All have taken a solemn vow of secrecy.


4. Okay maybe I crossed my fuses there about Ford building ovens. But good point that he did lend massive support the Hitler before the war. He also got a medal from Hitler. Here is some info about his connection.

World War II era

Ford and Adolf Hitler admired each other's achievements.[32] Adolf Hitler kept a life-size portrait of Ford next to his desk.[32] "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration," Hitler told a Detroit News reporter two years before becoming the Chancellor of Germany in 1933.[32] In July 1938, four months after the German annexation of Austria, Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest medal awarded by Nazi Germany to foreigners.[32]

Ford disliked the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and did not approve of U.S. involvement in the war. Therefore, from 1939 to 1943, the War Production Board's dealings with the Ford Motor Company were with others in the organization, such as Edsel Ford and Charles Sorensen, much more than with Henry Ford. During this time Henry Ford did not stop his executives from cooperating with Washington, but he himself did not get deeply involved. He watched, focusing on his own pet side projects, as the work progressed.[33] After Edsel Ford's passing, Henry Ford resumed control of the company in 1943.

After years of the Great Depression, labor strife, and New Deal, he suspected people in Washington were conspiring to wrest the company from his control. Ironically, his paranoia was trending toward self-fulfilling prophesy, as his attitude inspired background chatter in Washington about how to undermine his control of the company, whether by wartime government fiat or by instigating some sort of coup among executives and directors.[34] In 1945, the war ended, Henry Ford II became company president, and the storm was past.

[kalki]

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You are positive and sure about conspiracy theory being a reality, and I would love to know how you know with such certainty? [/quote]


Okay, well how can you deny this history, please tell me? It is from Wikipedia

A CHRONOLOGICAL HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER

by D.L. Cuddy, Ph.D.
Arranged and Edited by John Loeffler

In the mainline media, those who adhere to the position that there is some kind of "conspiracy" pushing us towards a world government are virulently ridiculed. The standard attack maintains that the so-called "New World Order" is the product of turn-of-the-century, right-wing, bigoted, anti-semitic racists acting in the tradition of the long-debunked Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, now promulgated by some Militias and other right-wing hate groups.

The historical record does not support that position to any large degree but it has become the mantra of the socialist left and their cronies, the media.

The term "New World Order" has been used thousands of times in this century by proponents in high places of federalized world government. Some of those involved in this collaboration to achieve world order have been Jewish. The preponderance are not, so it most definitely is not a Jewish agenda.

For years, leaders in education, industry, the media, banking, etc., have promoted those with the same Weltanschauung (world view) as theirs. Of course, someone might say that just because individuals promote their friends doesn't constitute a conspiracy. That's true in the usual sense. However, it does represent an "open conspiracy," as described by noted Fabian Socialist H.G. Wells in The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution (1928).

In 1913, prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act President Wilson's The New Freedom was published, in which he revealed:

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

On November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House, President Woodrow Wilson's close advisor:

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson... "

That there is such a thing as a cabal of power brokers who control government behind the scenes has been detailed several times in this century by credible sources. Professor Carroll Quigley was Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown University. President Clinton has publicly paid homage to the influence Professor Quigley had on his life. In Quigley's magnum opus Tragedy and Hope (1966), he states:

"There does exist and has existed for a generation, an international ... network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies... but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known."

Even talk show host Rush Limbaugh, an outspoken critic of anyone claiming a push for global government, said on his February 7, 1995 program:

"You see, if you amount to anything in Washington these days, it is because you have been plucked or handpicked from an Ivy League school -- Harvard, Yale, Kennedy School of Government -- you've shown an aptitude to be a good Ivy League type, and so you're plucked so-to-speak, and you are assigned success. You are assigned a certain role in government somewhere, and then your success is monitored and tracked, and you go where the pluckers and the handpickers can put you."

On May 4, 1993, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) president Leslie Gelb said on The Charlie Rose Show that:

"... you [Charlie Rose] had me on [before] to talk about the New World Order! I talk about it all the time. It's one world now. The Council [CFR] can find, nurture, and begin to put people in the kinds of jobs this country needs. And that's going to be one of the major enterprises of the Council under me."

Previous CFR chairman, John J. McCloy (1953-70), actually said they have been doing this since the 1940s (and before).

The thrust towards global government can be well-documented but at the end of the twentieth century it does not look like a traditional conspiracy in the usual sense of a secret cabal of evil men meeting clandestinely behind closed doors. Rather, it is a "networking" of like-minded individuals in high places to achieve a common goal, as described in Marilyn Ferguson's 1980 insider classic, The Aquarian Conspiracy.

Perhaps the best way to relate this would be a brief history of the New World Order, not in our words but in the words of those who have been striving to make it real.

1912 -- Colonel Edward M. House, a close advisor of President Woodrow Wilson, publishes Phillip Dru: Administrator in which he promotes "socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx."

1913 -- The Federal Reserve (neither federal nor a reserve) is created. It was planned at a secret meeting in 1910 on Jekyl Island, Georgia by a group of bankers and politicians, including Col. House. This transferred the power to create money from the American government to a private group of bankers. It is probably the largest generator of debt in the world.

May 30, 1919 -- Prominent British and American personalities establish the Royal Institute of International Affairs in England and the Institute of International Affairs in the U.S. at a meeting arranged by Col. House attended by various Fabian socialists, including noted economist John Maynard Keynes. Two years later, Col. House reorganizes the Institute of International Affairs into the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

December 15, 1922 -- The CFR endorses World Government in its magazine Foreign Affairs. Author Philip Kerr, states:

"Obviously there is going to be no peace or prosperity for mankind as long as [the earth] remains divided into 50 or 60 independent states until some kind of international system is created... The real problem today is that of the world government."

1928 -- The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution by H.G. Wells is published. A former Fabian Socialist, Wells writes:

"The political world of the ... Open Conspiracy must weaken, efface, incorporate and supersede existing governments... The Open Conspiracy is the natural inheritor of socialist and communist enthusiasms; it may be in control of Moscow before it is in control of New York... The character of the Open Conspiracy will now be plainly displayed... It will be a world religion."

1931 -- Students at the Lenin School of Political Warfare in Moscow are taught:

"One day we shall start to spread the most theatrical peace movement the world has ever seen. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent ... will fall into the trap offered by the possibility of making new friends. Our day will come in 30 years or so... The bourgeoisie must be lulled into a false sense of security."

1931 -- In a speech to the Institute for the Study of International Affairs at Copenhagen) historian Arnold Toyee said:

"We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world. All the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands...."

1932 -- New books are published urging World Order:

Toward Soviet America by William Z. Foster. Head of the Communist Party USA, Foster indicates that a National Department of Education would be one of the means used to develop a new socialist society in the U.S.

The New World Order by F.S. Marvin, describing the League of Nations as the first attempt at a New World Order. Marvin says, "nationality must rank below the claims of mankind as a whole."

Dare the School Build a New Social Order? is published. Educator author George Counts asserts that:

"... the teachers should deliberately reach for power and then make the most of their conquest" in order to "influence the social attitudes, ideals and behavior of the coming generation... The growth of science and technology has carried us into a new age where ignorance must be replaced by knowledge, competition by cooperation, trust in Providence by careful planning and private capitalism by some form of social economy."

1933 -- The first Humanist Manifesto is published. Co-author John Dewey, the noted philosopher and educator, calls for a synthesizing of all religions and "a socialized and cooperative economic order." Co-signer C.F. Potter said in 1930:

"Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American public school is a school of humanism. What can the theistic Sunday schools, meeting for an hour once a week, teaching only a fraction of the children, do to stem the tide of a five-day program of humanistic teaching?"

1933 -- The Shape of Things to Come by H.G. Wells is published. Wells predicts a second world war around 1940, originating from a German-Polish dispute. After 1945 there would be an increasing lack of public safety in "criminally infected" areas. The plan for the "Modern World-State" would succeed on its third attempt (about 1980), and come out of something that occurred in Basra, Iraq. The book also states,

"Although world government had been plainly coming for some years, although it had been endlessly feared and murmured against, it found no opposition prepared anywhere."

1934 -- The Externalization of the Hierarchy by Alice A. Bailey is published. Bailey is an occultist, whose works are channeled from a spirit guide, the Tibetan Master [demon spirit] Djwahl Kuhl. Bailey uses the phrase "points of light" in connection with a "New Group of World Servers" and claims that 1934 marks the beginning of "the organizing of the men and women... group work of a new order... [with] progress defined by service... the world of the Brotherhood... the Forces of Light... [and] out of the spoliation of all existing culture and civilization, the new world order must be built."

The book is published by the Lucis Trust, incorporated originally in New York as the Lucifer Publishing Company. Lucis Trust is a United Nations NGO and has been a major player at the recent U.N. summits. Later Assistant Secretary General of the U.N. Robert Mueller would credit the creation of his World Core Curriculum for education to the underlying teachings of Djwahl Kuhl via Alice Bailey's writings on the subject.

1932 -- Plan for Peace by American Birth Control League founder Margaret Sanger (1921) is published. She calls for coercive sterilization, mandatory segregation, and rehabilitative concentration camps for all "dysgenic stocks" including Blacks, Hispanics, American Indians and Catholics.

October 28, 1939 -- In an address by John Foster Dulles, later U.S. Secretary of State, he proposes that America lead the transition to a new order of less independent, semi-sovereign states bound together by a league or federal union.

1939 -- New World Order by H. G. Wells proposes a collectivist one-world state"' or "new world order" comprised of "socialist democracies." He advocates "universal conscription for service" and declares that "nationalist individualism... is the world's disease." He continues:

"The manifest necessity for some collective world control to eliminate warfare and the less generally admitted necessity for a collective control of the economic and biological life of mankind, are aspects of one and the same process." He proposes that this be accomplished through "universal law" and propaganda (or education)."

1940 -- The New World Order is published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and contains a select list of references on regional and world federation, together with some special plans for world order after the war.

December 12, 1940 -- In The Congressional Record an article entitled A New World Order John G. Alexander calls for a world federation.

1942 -- The leftist Institute of Pacific Relations publishes Post War Worlds by P.E. Corbett:

"World government is the ultimate aim... It must be recognized that the law of nations takes precedence over national law... The process will have to be assisted by the deletion of the nationalistic material employed in educational textbooks and its replacement by material explaining the benefits of wiser association."

June 28, 1945 -- President Truman endorses world government in a speech:

"It will be just as easy for nations to get along in a republic of the world as it is for us to get along in a republic of the United States."

October 24, 1945 -- The United Nations Charter becomes effective. Also on October 24, Senator Glen Taylor (D-Idaho) introduces Senate Resolution 183 calling upon the U.S. Senate to go on record as favoring creation of a world republic including an international police force.

1946 -- Alger Hiss is elected President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Hiss holds this office until 1949. Early in 1950, he is convicted of perjury and sentenced to prison after a sensational trial and Congressional hearing in which Whittaker Chambers, a former senior editor of Time, testifies that Hiss was a member of his Communist Party cell.

1946 -- The Teacher and World Government by former editor of the NEA Journal (National Education Association) Joy Elmer Morgan is published. He says:

"In the struggle to establish an adequate world government, the teacher... can do much to prepare the hearts and minds of children for global understanding and cooperation... At the very heart of all the agencies which will assure the coming of world government must stand the school, the teacher, and the organized profession."

1947 -- The American Education Fellowship, formerly the Progressive Education Association, organized by John Dewey, calls for the:

"... establishment of a genuine world order, an order in which national sovereignty is subordinate to world authority... "

October, 1947 -- NEA Associate Secretary William Carr writes in the NEA Journal that teachers should:

"... teach about the various proposals that have been made for the strengthening of the United Nations and the establishment of a world citizenship and world government."

1948 -- Walden II by behavioral psychologist B.F. Skinner proposes "a perfect society or new and more perfect order" in which children are reared by the State, rather than by their parents and are trained from birth to demonstrate only desirable behavior and characteristics. Skinner's ideas would be widely implemented by educators in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s as Values Clarification and Outcome Based Education.

July, 1948 -- Britain's Sir Harold Butler, in the CFR's Foreign Affairs, sees "a New World Order" taking shape:

"How far can the life of nations, which for centuries have thought of themselves as distinct and unique, be merged with the life of other nations? How far are they prepared to sacrifice a part of their sovereignty without which there can be no effective economic or political union?... Out of the prevailing confusion a new world is taking shape... which may point the way toward the new order... That will be the beginning of a real United Nations, no longer crippled by a split personality, but held together by a common faith."

1948 -- UNESCO president and Fabian Socialist, Sir Julian Huxley, calls for a radical eugenic policy in UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy. He states:

"Thus, even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy of controlled human breeding will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake that much that is now unthinkable may at least become thinkable."

1948 -- The preliminary draft of a World Constitution is published by U.S. educators advocating regional federation on the way toward world federation or government with England incorporated into a European federation.

The Constitution provides for a "World Council" along with a "Chamber of Guardians" to enforce world law. Also included is a "Preamble" calling upon nations to surrender their arms to the world government, and includes the right of this "Federal Republic of the World" to seize private property for federal use.

February 9, 1950 -- The Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee introduces Senate Concurrent Resolution 66 which begins:

"Whereas, in order to achieve universal peace and justice, the present Charter of the United Nations should be changed to provide a true world government constitution."

The resolution was first introduced in the Senate on September 13, 1949 by Senator Glen Taylor (D-Idaho). Senator Alexander Wiley (R-Wisconsin) called it "a consummation devoutly to be wished for" and said, "I understand your proposition is either change the United Nations, or change or create, by a separate convention, a world order." Senator Taylor later stated:

"We would have to sacrifice considerable sovereignty to the world organization to enable them to levy taxes in their own right to support themselves."

1950 -- In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, international financier James P Warburg said:

"we shall have a world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest."

April 12, 1952 -- John Foster Dulles, later to become Secretary of State, says in a speech to the American Bar Association in Louisville, Kentucky, that "treaty laws can override the Constitution." He says treaties can take power away from Congress and give them to the President. They can take powers from the States and give them to the Federal Government or to some international body and they can cut across the rights given to the people by their constitutional Bill of Rights. A Senate amendment, proposed by GOP Senator John Bricker, would have provided that no treaty could supersede the Constitution, but it fails to pass by one vote.

1954 -- Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands establishes the Bilderbergers, international politicians and bankers who meet secretly on an annual basis.

1954 -- H. Rowan Gaither, Jr., President - Ford Foundation said to Norman Dodd of the Congressional Reese Commission:

"... all of us here at the policy-making level have had experience with directives... from the White House... . The substance of them is that we shall use our grant-making power so as to alter our life in the United States that we can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union."

1954 -- Senator William Jenner said:

"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people... outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side.... All the strange developments in the foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure.... This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus."

1958 -- World Peace through World Law is published, where authors Grenville Clark and Louis Sohn advocate using the U.N. as a governing body for the world, world disarmament, a world police force and legislature.

1959 -- The Council on Foreign Relations calls for a New International Order Study Number 7, issued on November 25, advocated:

"... new international order [which] must be responsive to world aspirations for peace, for social and economic change... an international order... including states labeling themselves as 'socialist' [communist]."

1959 -- The World Constitution and Parliament Association is founded which later develops a Diagram of World Government under the Constitution for the Federation of Earth.

1959 -- The Mid-Century Challenge to U.S. Foreign Policy is published, sponsored by the Rockefeller Brothers' Fund. It explains that the U.S.:

"... cannot escape, and indeed should welcome... the task which history has imposed on us. This is the task of helping to shape a new world order in all its dimensions -- spiritual, economic, political, social."

September 9, 1960 -- President Eisenhower signs Senate Joint Resolution 170, promoting the concept of a federal Atlantic Union. Pollster and Atlantic Union Committee treasurer, Elmo Roper, later delivers an address titled, The Goal Is Government of All the World, in which he states:

"For it becomes clear that the first step toward World Government cannot be completed until we have advanced on the four fronts: the economic, the military, the political and the social."

1961 -- The U.S. State Department issues a plan to disarm all nations and arm the United Nations. State Department Document Number 7277 is entitled Freedom From War: The U.S. Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World. It details a three-stage plan to disarm all nations and arm the U.N. with the final stage in which "no state would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened U.N. Peace Force."

March 1, 1962 -- Sen. Clark speaking on the floor of the Senate about PL 87-297 which calls for the disbanding of all armed forces and the prohibition of their re-establishment in any form whatsoever. "... This program is the fixed, determined and approved policy of the government of the United States."

1962 -- New Calls for World Federalism. In a study titled, A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations, CFR member Lincoln Bloomfield states:

"... if the communist dynamic was greatly abated, the West might lose whatever incentive it has for world government."

The Future of Federalism by author Nelson Rockefeller is published. The one-time Governor of New York, claims that current events compellingly demand a "new world order," as the old order is crumbling, and there is "a new and free order struggling to be born." Rockefeller says there is:

"a fever of nationalism... [but] the nation-state is becoming less and less competent to perform its international political tasks....These are some of the reasons pressing us to lead vigorously toward the true building of a new world order... [with] voluntary service... and our dedicated faith in the brotherhood of all mankind.... Sooner perhaps than we may realize... there will evolve the bases for a federal structure of the free world."

1963 -- J. William Fulbright, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee speaks at a symposium sponsored by the Fund for the Republic, a left-wing project of the Ford Foundation:

"The case for government by elites is irrefutable... government by the people is possible but highly improbable."

1964 -- Taxonomy of Educational Objectives, Handbook II is published. Author Benjamin Bloom states:

"... a large part of what we call 'good teaching' is the teacher's ability to attain affective objectives through challenging the students' fixed beliefs."

His Outcome-Based Education (OBE) method of teaching would first be tried as Mastery Learning in Chicago schools. After five years, Chicago students' test scores had plummeted causing outrage among parents. OBE would leave a trail of wreckage wherever it would be tried and under whatever name it would be used. At the same time, it would become crucial to globalists for overhauling the education system to promote attitude changes among school students.

1964 -- Visions of Order by Richard Weaver is published. He describes:

"progressive educators as a 'revolutionary cabal' engaged in 'a systematic attempt to undermine society's traditions and beliefs.'"

1967 -- Richard Nixon calls for New World Order. In Asia after Vietnam, in the October issue of Foreign Affairs, Nixon writes of nations' dispositions to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the evolution of a "new world order."

1968 -- Joy Elmer Morgan, former editor of the NEA Journal publishes The American Citizens Handbook in which he says:

"the coming of the United Nations and the urgent necessity that it evolve into a more comprehensive form of world government places upon the citizens of the United States an increased obligation to make the most of their citizenship which now widens into active world citizenship."

July 26, 1968 -- Nelson Rockefeller pledges support of the New World Order. In an Associated Press report, Rockefeller pledges that, "as President, he would work toward international creation of a new world order."

1970 -- Education and the mass media promote world order. In Thinking About A New World Order for the Decade 1990, author Ian Baldwin, Jr. asserts that:

"... the World Law Fund has begun a worldwide research and educational program that will introduce a new, emerging discipline -- world order -- into educational curricula throughout the world... and to concentrate some of its energies on bringing basic world order concepts into the mass media again on a worldwide level."

1972 -- President Nixon visits China. In his toast to Chinese Premier Chou En-lai, former CFR member and now President, Richard Nixon, expresses "the hope that each of us has to build a new world order."

May 18, 1972 -- In speaking of the coming of world government, Roy M. Ash, director of the Office of Management and Budget, declares that:

"within two decades the institutional framework for a world economic community will be in place... [and] aspects of individual sovereignty will be given over to a supernational authority."

1973 -- The Trilateral Commission is established. Banker David Rockefeller organizes this new private body and chooses Zbigniew Brzezinski, later National Security Advisor to President Carter, as the Commission's first director and invites Jimmy Carter to become a founding member.

1973 -- Humanist Manifesto II is published:

"The next century can be and should be the humanistic century... we stand at the dawn of a new age... a secular society on a planetary scale.... As non-theists we begin with humans not God, nature not deity... we deplore the division of humankind on nationalistic grounds.... Thus we look to the development of a system of world law and a world order based upon transnational federal government.... The true revolution is occurring."

April, 1974 -- Former U. S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Trilateralist and CFR member Richard Gardner's article The Hard Road to World Order is published in the CFR's Foreign Affairs where he states that:

"the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down... but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

1974 -- The World Conference of Religion for Peace, held in Louvain, Belgium is held. Douglas Roche presents a report entitled We Can Achieve a New World Order.

The U.N. calls for wealth redistribution: In a report entitled New International Economic Order, the U.N. General Assembly outlines a plan to redistribute the wealth from the rich to the poor nations.

1975 -- A study titled, A New World Order, is published by the Center of International Studies, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Studies, Princeton University.

1975 -- In Congress, 32 Senators and 92 Representatives sign A Declaration of Interdependence, written by historian Henry Steele Commager. The Declaration states that:

"we must join with others to bring forth a new world order... Narrow notions of national sovereignty must not be permitted to curtail that obligation."

Congresswoman Marjorie Holt refuses to sign the Declaration saying:

"It calls for the surrender of our national sovereignty to international organizations. It declares that our economy should be regulated by international authorities. It proposes that we enter a 'new world order' that would redistribute the wealth created by the American people."

1975 -- Retired Navy Admiral Chester Ward, former Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy and former CFR member, writes in a critique that the goal of the CFR is the "submergence of U. S. sovereignty and national independence into an all powerful one-world government... "

1975 -- Kissinger on the Couch is published. Authors Phyllis Schlafly and former CFR member Chester Ward state:

"Once the ruling members of the CFR have decided that the U.S. government should espouse a particular policy, the very substantial research facilities of the CFR are put to work to develop arguments, intellectual and emotional, to support the new policy and to confound, discredit, intellectually and politically, any opposition... "

1976 -- RIO: Reshaping the International Order is published by the globalist Club of Rome, calling for a new international order, including an economic redistribution of wealth.

1977 -- The Third Try at World Order is published. Author Harlan Cleveland of the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies calls for:

"changing Americans' attitudes and institutions" for "complete disarmament (except for international soldiers)" and "for individual entitlement to food, health and education."

1977 -- Imperial Brain Trust by Laurence Shoup and William Minter is published. The book takes a critical look at the Council on Foreign Relations with chapters such as: Shaping a New World Order: The Council's Blueprint for Global Hegemony, 1939-1944 and Toward the 1980's: The Council's Plans for a New World Order.

1977 -- The Trilateral Connection appears in the July edition of Atlantic Monthly. Written by Jeremiah Novak, it says:

"For the third time in this century, a group of American schools, businessmen, and government officials is planning to fashion a New World Order... "

1977 -- Leading educator Mortimer Adler publishes Philosopher at Large in which he says:

"... if local civil government is necessary for local civil peace, then world civil government is necessary for world peace."

1979 -- Barry Goldwater, retiring Republican Senator from Arizona, publishes his autobiography With No Apologies. He writes:

"In my view The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power -- political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. What the Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the future."

1984 -- The Power to Lead is published. Author James McGregor Burns admits:

"The framers of the U.S. constitution have simply been too shrewd for us. The have outwitted us. They designed separate institutions that cannot be unified by mechanical linkages, frail bridges, tinkering. If we are to 'turn the Founders upside down' -- we must directly confront the constitutional structure they erected."

1985 -- Norman Cousins, the honorary chairman of Planetary Citizens for the World We Chose, is quoted in Human Events:

"World government is coming, in fact, it is inevitable. No arguments for or against it can change that fact."

Cousins was also president of the World Federalist Association, an affiliate of the World Association for World Federation (WAWF), headquartered in Amsterdam. WAWF is a leading force for world federal government and is accredited by the U.N. as a Non-Governmental Organization.

1987 -- The Secret Constitution and the Need for Constitutional Change is sponsored in part by the Rockefeller Foundation. Some thoughts of author Arthur S. Miller are:

"... a pervasive system of thought control exists in the United States... the citizenry is indoctrinated by employment of the mass media and the system of public education... people are told what to think about... the old order is crumbling... Nationalism should be seen as a dangerous social disease... A new vision is required to plan and manage the future, a global vision that will transcend national boundaries and eliminate the poison of nationalistic solutions... a new Constitution is necessary."

1988 -- Former Under-secretary of State and CFR member George Ball in a January 24 interview in the New York Times says:

"The Cold War should no longer be the kind of obsessive concern that it is. Neither side is going to attack the other deliberately... If we could internationalize by using the U.N. in conjunction with the Soviet Union, because we now no longer have to fear, in most cases, a Soviet veto, then we could begin to transform the shape of the world and might get the U.N. back to doing something useful... Sooner or later we are going to have to face restructuring our institutions so that they are not confined merely to the nation-states. Start first on a regional and ultimately you could move to a world basis."

December 7, 1988 -- In an address to the U.N., Mikhail Gorbachev calls for mutual consensus:

"World progress is only possible through a search for universal human consensus as we move forward to a new world order."

May 12, 1989 -- President Bush invites the Soviets to join World Order. Speaking to the graduating class at Texas A&M University, Mr. Bush states that the United States is ready to welcome the Soviet Union "back into the world order."

1989 -- Carl Bernstein's (Woodward and Bernstein of Watergate fame) book Loyalties: A Son's Memoir is published. His father and mother had been members of the Communist party. Bernstein's father tells his son about the book:

"You're going to prove [Sen. Joseph] McCarthy was right, because all he was saying is that the system was loaded with Communists. And he was right... I'm worried about the kind of book you're going to write and about cleaning up McCarthy. The problem is that everybody said he was a liar; you're saying he was right... I agree that the Party was a force in the country."

1990 -- The World Federalist Association faults the American press. Writing in their Summer/Fall newsletter, Deputy Director Eric Cox describes world events over the past year or two and declares:

"It's sad but true that the slow-witted American press has not grasped the significance of most of these developments. But most federalists know what is happening... And they are not frightened by the old bug-a-boo of sovereignty."

September 11, 1990 -- President Bush calls the Gulf War an opportunity for the New World Order. In an address to Congress entitled Toward a New World Order, Mr. Bush says:

"The crisis in the Persian Gulf offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times... a new world order can emerge in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony.... Today the new world is struggling to be born."

September 25, 1990 -- In an address to the U.N., Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze describes Iraq's invasion of Kuwait as "an act of terrorism [that] has been perpetrated against the emerging New World Order." On December 31, Gorbachev declares that the New World Order would be ushered in by the Gulf Crisis.

October 1, 1990 -- In a U.N. address, President Bush speaks of the:

"... collective strength of the world community expressed by the U.N. ... an historic movement towards a new world order... a new partnership of nations... a time when humankind came into its own... to bring about a revolution of the spirit and the mind and begin a journey into a... new age."

1991 -- Author Linda MacRae-Campbell publishes How to Start a Revolution at Your School in the publication In Context. She promotes the use of "change agents" as "self-acknowledged revolutionaries" and "co-conspirators."

1991 -- President Bush praises the New World Order in a State of Union Message:

"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea -- a new world order... to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind... based on shared principles and the rule of law.... The illumination of a thousand points of light.... The winds of change are with us now."

February 6, 1991 -- President Bush tells the Economic Club of New York:

"My vision of a new world order foresees a United Nations with a revitalized peacekeeping function."

June, 1991 -- The Council on Foreign Relations co-sponsors an assembly Rethinking America's Security: Beyond Cold War to New World Order which is attended by 65 prestigious members of government, labor, academia, the media, military, and the professions from nine countries. Later, several of the conference participants joined some 100 other world leaders for another closed door meeting of the Bilderberg Society in Baden Baden, Germany. The Bilderbergers also exert considerable clout in determining the foreign policies of their respective governments. While at that meeting, David Rockefeller said in a speech:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

July, 1991 -- The Southeastern World Affairs Institute discusses the New World Order. In a program, topics include, Legal Structures for a New World Order and The United Nations: From its Conception to a New World Order. Participants include a former director of the U.N.'s General Legal Division, and a former Secretary General of International Planned Parenthood.

Late July, 1991 -- On a Cable News Network program, CFR member and former CIA director Stansfield Turner (Rhodes scholar), when asked about Iraq, responded:

"We have a much bigger objective. We've got to look at the long run here. This is an example -- the situation between the United Nations and Iraq -- where the United Nations is deliberately intruding into the sovereignty of a sovereign nation... Now this is a marvelous precedent (to be used in) all countries of the world... "

October 29, 1991 -- David Funderburk, former U. S. Ambassador to Romania, tells a North Carolina audience:

"George Bush has been surrounding himself with people who believe in one-world government. They believe that the Soviet system and the American system are converging." The vehicle to bring this about, said Funderburk, is the United Nations, "the majority of whose 166 member states are socialist, atheist, and anti-American."

Funderburk served as ambassador in Bucharest from 1981 to 1985, when he resigned in frustration over U.S. support of the oppressive regime of the late Rumanian dictator, Nicolae Ceausescu.

October 30, 1991: -- President Gorbachev at the Middle East Peace Talks in Madrid states:

"We are beginning to see practical support. And this is a very significant sign of the movement towards a new era, a new age... We see both in our country and elsewhere... ghosts of the old thinking... When we rid ourselves of their presence, we will be better able to move toward a new world order... relying on the relevant mechanisms of the United Nations."

Elsewhere, in Alexandria, Virginia, Elena Lenskaya, Counsellor to the Minister of Education of Russia, delivers the keynote address for a program titled, Education for a New World Order.

1992 -- The Twilight of Sovereignty by CFR member (and former Citicorp Chairman) Walter Wriston is published, in which he claims:

"A truly global economy will require ... compromises of national sovereignty... There is no escaping the system."

1992 -- The United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) Earth Summit takes place in Rio de Janeiro this year, headed by Conference Secretary-General Maurice Strong. The main products of this summit are the Biodiversity Treaty and Agenda 21, which the U.S. hesitates to sign because of opposition at home due to the threat to sovereignty and economics. The summit says the first world's wealth must be transferred to the third world.

July 20, 1992 -- Time magazine publishes The Birth of the Global Nation by Strobe Talbott, Rhodes Scholar, roommate of Bill Clinton at Oxford University, CFR Director, and Trilateralist, in which he writes:

"All countries are basically social arrangements... No matter how permanent or even sacred they may seem at any one time, in fact they are all artificial and temporary... Perhaps national sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all... But it has taken the events in our own wondrous and terrible century to clinch the case for world government."

As an editor of Time, Talbott defended Clinton during his presidential campaign. He was appointed by President Clinton as the number two person at the State Department behind Secretary of State Warren Christopher, former Trilateralist and former CFR Vice-Chairman and Director. Talbott was confirmed by about two-thirds of the U.S. Senate despite his statement about the unimportance of national sovereignty.

September 29, 1992 -- At a town hall meeting in Los Angeles, Trilateralist and former CFR president Winston Lord delivers a speech titled Changing Our Ways: America and the New World, in which he remarks:

"To a certain extent, we are going to have to yield some of our sovereignty, which will be controversial at home... [Under] the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)... some Americans are going to be hurt as low-wage jobs are taken away."

Lord became an Assistant Secretary of State in the Clinton administration.

1992 -- President Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N said:

"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."

Winter, 1992-93 -- The CFR's Foreign Affairs publishes Empowering the United Nations by U.N. Secretary General Boutros-Boutros Ghali, who asserts:

"It is undeniable that the centuries-old doctrine of absolute and exclusive sovereignty no longer stands... Underlying the rights of the individual and the rights of peoples is a dimension of universal sovereignty that resides in all humanity... It is a sense that increasingly finds expression in the gradual expansion of international law... In this setting the significance of the United Nations should be evident and accepted."

1993 -- Strobe Talbott receives the Norman Cousins Global Governance Award for his 1992 Time article, The Birth of the Global Nation and in appreciation for what he has done "for the cause of global governance." President Clinton writes a letter of congratulation which states:

"Norman Cousins worked for world peace and world government.... Strobe Talbott's lifetime achievements as a voice for global harmony have earned him this recognition... He will be a worthy recipient of the Norman Cousins Global Governance Award. Best wishes... for future success."

Not only does President Clinton use the specific term, "world government," but he also expressly wishes the WFA "future success" in pursuing world federal government. Talbott proudly accepts the award, but says the WFA should have given it to the other nominee, Mikhail Gorbachev.

July 18, 1993 -- CFR member and Trilateralist Henry Kissinger writes in the Los Angeles Times concerning NAFTA:

"What Congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement but the architecture of a new international system... a first step toward a new world order."

August 23, 1993 -- Christopher Hitchens, Socialist friend of Bill Clinton when he was at Oxford University, says in a C-SPAN interview:

"... it is, of course the case that there is a ruling class in this country, and that it has allies internationally."

October 30, 1993 -- Washington Post ombudsman Richard Harwood does an op-ed piece about the role of the CFR's media members:

"Their membership is an acknowledgment of their ascension into the American ruling class [where] they do not merely analyze and interpret foreign policy for the United States; they help make it."

January/February, 1994 -- The CFR's Foreign Affairs prints an opening article by CFR Senior Fellow Michael Clough in which he writes that the "Wise Men" (e.g. Paul Nitze, Dean Acheson, George Kennan, and John J. McCloy) have:

"assiduously guarded it [American foreign policy] for the past 50 years... They ascended to power during World War II... This was as it should be. National security and the national interest, they argued must transcend the special interests and passions of the people who make up America... How was this small band of Atlantic-minded internationalists able to triumph ... Eastern internationalists were able to shape and staff the burgeoning foreign policy institutions... As long as the Cold War endured and nuclear Armageddon seemed only a missile away, the public was willing to tolerate such an undemocratic foreign policy making system."

1994 -- In the Human Development Report, published by the UN Development Program, there was a section called "Global Governance For the 21st Century". The administrator for this program was appointed by Bill Clinton. His name is James Gustave Speth. The opening sentence of the report said:

"Mankind's problems can no longer be solved by national government. What is needed is a World Government. This can best be achieved by strengthening the United Nations system."

1995 -- The State of the World Forum took place in the fall of this year, sponsored by the Gorbachev Foundation located at the Presidio in San Francisco. Foundation President Jim Garrison chairs the meeting of who's-whos from around the world including Margaret Thatcher, Maurice Strong, George Bush, Mikhail Gorbachev and others. Conversation centers around the oneness of mankind and the coming global government. However, the term "global governance" is now used in place of "new world order" since the latter has become a political liability, being a lightning rod for opponents of global government.

1996 -- The United Nations 420-page report Our Global Neighborhood is published. It outlines a plan for "global governance," calling for an international Conference on Global Governance in 1998 for the purpose of submitting to the world the necessary treaties and agreements for ratification by the year 2000.

[drejc]

in trying to do so, we have to wade through the informational garbage heap available on the web

Well-said, Kali. At first I read "information garbage heap that IS the www." It is amazing how one can literally superimpose on a text what's on one's own mind and think it was actually written there. Perhaps it is also a side effect of the garbage web flood – one can't give full attention to so much junk all of the time (which is not in any hidden way supposed to be interpreted as me saying you wrote so much junk, ok?). In one sense the web is like the proverbial paradise where trash and truth amicably live side by side in complete harmony. ha ha comes to mind the trash handed out by the Jehova's Witnesses showing tigers and lambs (and blacks and whites) schmoozing in the garden of Eden.

One can even find on WEB that Obama is Maitreya etc. What they say in Scandinavia about those signs in the sky that recently appeared in Norway?

[Kalisurfer]

1. the Jeremiah Prophet site is against homosexuality and environmentalism

1. I just don't know where the site is against homosexuals and the environment. And even if they did do that, I don't think that removes their right to see that corporations are controlling politicians and creating a new world order.

Kalki, it is going to take a lot of time to address all your comments, which at the moment I have little of, nor do I have big interest in filling my head with right wing fundamentalist Christian hatred toward anyone who does not believe or think like they do, but I will try to address in the coming days and weeks some of the issues concerning conspiracy and One World Order thinking. To your question concerning the Jerimiah Project and homosexuality, all one has to do is click links on the web site and you find mounds of mounds of disinformation or confusing facts filtered through biblical interpretation in other areas of the same site.

Just because some truth and facts are mixed in with a fundamentalist Christian Far Right ideology does not make everything correct, which is why I would not trust this site or the minister behind one bit, but that is your choice to make.

Here is the link on the Jerimiah Project website and a screen capture of the page on Homosexuality which I find very offensive, which makes me believe this site is not a great source for getting your information on other topics, no matter how much it may agree with your political and social worldview.

Jerimiah Project website page on Homosexuality

[Homer]

I found this worth watching:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918#

Historic Interview with Aaron Russo, Fighting Cancer and the New World Order

[Kalisurfer]

2. that they previous US presidents have not necessarily spoken about a NWO and that it is just the rendering of media pundits

I never said or implied that sentence, where did you get that from?

3. I am positive about conspiracy theory.

The above was alluded to by your quote from another post below;

"It is not a conspiracy theory to know that Rothchild and Rockfeller make money on wars as do other smart business people like Dick Chenney for selling weapons to the nations at war. Ford made the ovens for the holocaust. The oil companies don't want hemp fuel to take hold because they lose money. Etc, etc, etc. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy reality".

You are saying that these conspiracies you believe in, the same ones stated by the Jerimiah Project website and the YouTube video by Alex Jones, are reality and not a theory, which then implies, no questions asked, no need for further study or debate, that it's a sound historical fact. I say it may or may not be, for it is up to historical interpretation, for I am willing to believe that people profit from war, or for the continuation of war once it is started, but do they plan wars just to profit, that I have a hard time accepting or believing, especially in light of the political self interest of the sources. As long as there has been wars, somebody somewhere profited in making arms and benefiting from the turmoil, but to say it done only for profit is taking a lot of other reasons and issues out of the picture. Dick Cheney once was on the board of directors of Haliburton and owned stock in the company, and no doubt he profited mightily from the invasion and war in Iraq and the role Haliburton played in it, but is that the sole purpose for the Iraq war, no in my opinion.

Conspiracy believers take real information and then apply it to political self interests and mysterious or complex events filled with factual holes that then can be hijacked for their own purposes. The Jerimiah Project and radio host/film maker Alex Jones do the same thing, they take real historical events, personalities and quotes, mix it with innuendo and fictional accounts to create a new reality, in this case, upholding a Rightist Fundamentalist Religious political agenda. It creates fear and suspicion in the population, especially in hard economic times, stirring the base and making people fight against their own welfare, finding scapegoats, usually the the opposing political party and their supporters, or even in the worst case scenerio, some unsuspecting minority, while propping up their own party. Meanwhile, back on the ranch, in this case, the Republican Party, certain conservatives and religious leaders, backed by media pundits, take on the conspiracy cause for their own self interest, such as— Alex Jones, Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.

If you want to believe and it feels natural to you Kalki, nothing I say will sway you, nor is that my purpose, but I will counter stated certainties and statements that seem based on the political self interest of others, especially those stated by the far political right and Fundamentalist Christians posing as neutral media pundits. If ever there was a real concern for the return of totalitarianism in political form, it is through these same channels and personalities as the website Jerimaih Project and the work of Alex Jones, for they create panic and fear through partial or full misinformation, putting blame on the only opposing party that exits, then trying to hoist their own brand of Theocracy upon the masses. Beware of the true believers Kalki, for fundamentalism is just not a religious term, it belongs in politics too, for this type of information works in mysterious ways, white become black, hot becomes cold and anything sensible becomes unbelievable, heck, perhaps I should start my own conspiracy theory website .... hmmmmm?

[Kalisurfer]

I found this worth watching:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918#

Historic Interview with Aaron Russo, Fighting Cancer and the New World Order

It too bad that the late Aaron Russo had to say these things on the Alex Jones InfoWars website, for it discredits and soils some of the interesting things he has to say, especially about the Federal Reserve. Alex Jones is a media pundit egoist raking in big money by using conspiracies to build and audience with hopes of landing a job at Fox News one day, not to mention gain professional and political power while building influence within the Republican party and certain influential Fundamentalist Christian circles. It does not mean that everybody on his show is not sincere in their beliefs and causes, but they all become suspect by being on this show. Otherwise, let the conspiracies build, for after Aaron Russo's untimely death to bladder cancer in 2007, conspiracists are saying he was murdered by Government agents, with whole web site dedicated to that cause ... and the beat goes on.

[Kalisurfer]

An explanation of the website "The Jerimiah Project" from it's webmaster, Vic Billson. The purpose is evident, so the content is questionable to anyone but the true believer.



That said, there are plenty of other websites and books pertaining to the New World Order that are not linked to Christianity, I hope anyway, but I am not interested really in debating its merits or trying to debunk it, for indeed it does include sources and historical fact of monopolies and greed mongers. While I'm all aware of the international corporitization of politics, economics and the hegemony of power, I sympathize with the problems but not the stated solutions by many in the conspiracy world, and I'd say be wary of special interests taking on the conspiracy as a cause and co-opting its followers to follow their won eventual cause, be if fundamentalist Christianity, the political far right or left. Be weary of messiahs in the media and in political parties, for they all wear underwear, fart and have faults, much like certain spiritual masters and their institutions that caused such a forum to exist in the first place.

I am not hear to attack beliefs and ideas or the personalities of others posting here, but I will keep reading and state my objections to anything remotely connected to agenda's that due to my own investigation, go far beyond the perceived conspiracy or reality, and has a self interest all its own.

[Homer]

It too bad that the late Aaron Russo had to say these things on the Alex Jones InfoWars

Pick up that gold even if it is found in a dirty place. Where else could he have had his very interesting say?

[ePiTau]

in trying to do so, we have to wade through the informational garbage heap available on the web

Well-said, Kali. At first I read "information garbage heap that IS the www." It is amazing how one can literally superimpose on a text what's on one's own mind and think it was actually written there. Perhaps it is also a side effect of the garbage web flood – one can't give full attention to so much junk all of the time (which is not in any hidden way supposed to be interpreted as me saying you wrote so much junk, ok?). In one sense the web is like the proverbial paradise where trash and truth amicably live side by side in complete harmony. ha ha comes to mind the trash handed out by the Jehova's Witnesses showing tigers and lambs (and blacks and whites) schmoozing in the garden of Eden.

One can even find on WEB that Obama is Maitreya etc. What they say in Scandinavia about those signs in the sky that recently appeared in Norway?

I did not follow the topic in the local press – in print or online. I have no information other than what was shown here at GR. Something tells me the event was "ordinary."

[Homer]

Does this qualify as a conspiricy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaUhGpBNBtk

Clip from "Freedom to Fascism" from Aaron Russo.

[Kalisurfer]

Does this qualify as a conspiricy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaUhGpBNBtk

Clip from "Freedom to Fascism" from Aaron Russo.

I'm not sure it's a conspiracy so much as just the peculiar undemocratic way the Federal Reserve was created and sustained, more like a historical black eye fact that is not talked about much, something to keep in the background like our crazy cousin Frank, it's really not a secret, for Ron Paul has been talking openly about it for some time now, not to mention plenty of books and other commentators throughout the years, but it does make one pause and wonder in amazement to learn that the money supply is really not based on anything physical or of worth, just paper the government says is legal tender and has value, all hail to the magic printing press! I wonder how many other countries do the same? What is the Euro actually based on?

OK Homer, when are you coming back to the States to take part in the coming revolution? I'm here ready to photograph and document the doors and walls that will come tumbling down. I know Kalki is ready. Who knows, who knows which way the wind blows, only the weatherman knows, I just have no faith in weathermen anymore, or of any leader or media finger pointers, who to trust, just who to belief? We live in a plural complex thousand points of different opinion world in this day and age, info that travels the world in mere seconds, millions and billions of bits every minute, what's actual truth and real history? Where do we find it ... whom to believe, but after scratching our heads, we keep trying, we keep fighting, we turn the pages, page by page, link by link, button by keyboard button, we shuffle through the unlimited amount of information debris and discern, discuss then just plain cuss our way out of this maze of crazed haze, coming up for air just one more time before we decide to dip in one once again before the lights go out .... phewwww .... yeah, the beat goes on ... the beat goes on, and I don't know if in our lifetimes we will ever come to the end, to the answer, to the conclusion ... though we may be born again, which means the wheel keeps on turning brother, yeah it just keeps on turning!

[Dhyana]

3. I am not sure what you mean by "I am so sure about conspiracy theory." Is anything I have said a conspiracy theory? Most of what I believe is influenced by people who have done research and present evidence and post it publicly for food for thought. Conspiracy theory is something that seriously lacks any basis whatsoever and therfore is a theory and nothing more. I think ideas like mankind was spawn of the union of giants from another planet and monkeys because the giants came here in search of gold in order to shield their atmosphere from the sun's harmful radiation is more in the category of conspiracy theory. It is not fair to label investigations of a corporate world takeover which is led and facilitated by America is fair to label as a theory only, because there is a lot of facts being looked at. When it is put all together, then it is maybe still a theory because it is not yet proven, but the term "conspiracy theory" as I am sure you know is kinda derogatory or belittling.

Commenting just on your objection to the ideas you present being called a "conspiracy theory." I don't find the use of word "theory" belittling. Theory needs to build on research and facts. An online dictionary says that theory is a "more or less verified or established explanation". Less verified speculations would be called hypotheses. Your "union of giants and monkeys" example would be a hypothesis, at best.

[Homer]

I'm not sure it's a conspiracy so much as just the peculiar undemocratic way the Federal Reserve was created and sustained

Burn, Baby, Burn!


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...va&aid=2712

"...It All Began in 1910 On Jekll Island

It sounds like the title of a horror movie, but the real life events that happened at this privately owned island off the coast of Georgia in 1910 would have challenged even the Hollywood bad dream factory to come up with.

It was here that seven very rich and powerful men met in secret for nine days and created the Federal Reserve System that came into being three years later on December 23, 1913 by an act of Congress. Since that time, the nation and world would never be the same, but only the rich and powerful were the beneficiaries. That was the whole idea, and it worked as planned.



The Federal Reserve Act that began it all must surely rank as one of the most disastrous and outrageous pieces of legislation to the public welfare ever to come out of any legislative body. It may have also have been and still is illegal according to Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution which happens to be the inviolable law of the land. The article states that Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof. In 1935, the US Supreme Court ruled the Congress cannot constitutionally delegate its power to another group or body. The Congress thus acted in violation of the Constitution it's sworn to uphold and in so doing created the Federal Reserve System that, as will be explained below, is a private for-profit corporation operating at the expense of the public welfare. By its action, our lawmakers committed fraud against the people of the country and so far have gotten away with it without the public even knowing about the harm done.



The shameful result is that what should have arrived stillborn is now the most dominant institution on earth, and all because of what began on a privately owned island with a scary name. But had the Congress acted responsibly, the act of Fed creation might never have happened. The legislation establishing it was so harmful to the public interest, it likely never would have passed if it hadn't been shepherded through a carefully prepared Congressional Conference Committee meeting scheduled for between 1:30 - 4:30 AM (when most members of Congress were asleep) on December 22, 1913. The Act was then voted on the next day and passed although many members of the body had left for the Christmas holidays and most others who stayed behind hadn't had time to read it or know its contents. Sound familiar? Still it passed (like a thief in the night) and was signed into law by an unwitting or complicit Woodrow Wilson who later admitted he made a terrible mistake saying "I unwittingly ruined my country." But it was too late for postmortems, and the American people have paid dearly ever since. It's about time the public understood that and began to demand an end to over 90 years of damage done.



It almost happened 43 years ago when one president decided to act on behalf of the people who elected him. That man was John Kennedy, who before his death planned to end the Federal Reserve System to eliminate the national debt a central bank creates by printing money and loaning it to the government. That debt has now risen to over $8,400,000,000,000 ($8.4 trillion) which every taxpayer must pay for and has done so in the amount of nearly $174,000,000,000 ($174 billion) in just the first three months of 2006. This debt service is now an annualized amount exceeding two-thirds of a trillion dollars. It's made the bankers rich (which was the whole idea) and the public poorer because we're taxed to pay the tab. It's no exaggeration to call this the greatest financial scam in world history and one that gets greater every day...."