Hurray for the Atheist Bus! Options

[Brainiac]

It is not so much the fact it is an "elephant" or "evakurvan's grandmother" just "hey, you cannot totally disprove the existence of <insert ridiculous remark here> either." As if that is some kind of big wham bam slam backhanded remark on how silly it is to believe in God.

That is usually stated by religionists though, as illustrated in this cartoon:

It illustrates that the probability of God's existence and non-existence isn't 50/50 equal as popularly thought. I agree with what you said about adolescents, though. It's one reason why I've stopped reading PZ Myers' Pharyngula blog. Myers is a biologist (and atheist) who found his blog praised in Dawkins' God Delusion and since then he appears to be shot blind drunk on his fame. The real scientific posts that he writes get far fewer comments than his atheistic rants which often go above a thousand comments, and you can tell from the language that they are silly little kids with their pretensions at logic. The same thing happens every time New Scientist publishes an article with vague religious links. I rarely read comments on blog entries these days because they are so often boring, repetitive and uninteresting.

[Homer]

And that the enemy is not atheism it is apathy.

The enemy is The Dark Lord.

[Homer]

Is that your own handiwork?

[evakurvan]

Now Homio has gone from destroying the aesthetic integrity of this forum with his huge block quotes to following my advice and just quoting related snippets albeit in a deceptive way because he is out to distract from my crusade against atheism.

So Disclaimer, it is not me who said "atheism is not the enemy, it is apathy," it was the religious guy in the video.

PLEASE READ MY POST WHERE I QUOTE THIS TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT --- NOW BEING FULL-BLOWN IGNORED IN FAVOUR OF A CIRCUS CHUCKLE-A-THON.

[Brainiac]

Is that your own handiwork?

No. I caught it ages ago at the LOLGod blog.

Homer, seriously, what do you think of the complaints to the bus company?

[Homer]

Is that your own handiwork?

No. I caught it ages ago at the LOLGod blog.

Homer, seriously, what do you think of the complaints to the bus company?

When, and if, the dispute reaches the High Court I will keep myself informed. The process of legal discovery should be fascinating.

[evakurvan]

When I heard him speak about this he referred to KC as a process that when properly executed one (you) will obtain a consistent result.

So this raises the whole thing to a fever pitch. Like the person who challenges Kali by saying, Kali if you are real I will try to kill myself now and you will save me, if not I will just die. That is how much I need you to appear now. And the person dies.

Or Jesus who about to die is taunted, if you are really the son of God, invoke God to perform a miracle right now and get you off the cross and we will all bow down to your God! But Jesus doesn't and the crowd laughs on.

Why did Jesus on the cross say, my lord, why have you forsaken me?

[Brainiac]

When I heard him speak about this he referred to KC as a process that when properly executed one (you) will obtain a consistent result.

So this raises the whole thing to a fever pitch. Like the person who challenges Kali by saying, Kali if you are real I will try to kill myself now and you will save me, if not I will just die. That is how much I need you to appear now. And the person dies.

Or Jesus who about to die is taunted, if you are really the son of God, invoke God to perform a miracle right now and get you off the cross and we will all bow down to your God! But Jesus doesn't and the crowd laughs on.

Why did Jesus on the cross say, my lord, why have you forsaken me?

Good question, I have often wondered that myself. Do you have an answer?

[Homer]

Why did Jesus on the cross say, my lord, why have you forsaken me?

Especially when he also said, "I and my Father are one."

[evakurvan]

I like that question too and I could likely put some reflections but they would probably be personal and that is vulgar. Also like Angrezi has said, people who talk their beliefs on forums are know-it-alls. I would rather look at pictures of babu's ass for forum pleasure like he does.

The comedian Sherine pictured here with Dawkins

and in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSrSwRpBdHk

is talking more like a third-world version of Brigitte Bardot posing next to a cute baby seal to make money for Greenpeace rather than a sharp comedy writer. Coincidence I just now realize she is even dressed in the campaign video in a white fluffy outfit strikingly similar to those images of pre-slayed baby seals. Where is the sharp comedy in this Dawkins comedy campaign. But then again this is all I've ever seen I don't know what are the comedy writings.

This is not an attack on winter coats or boring comedy necessarily more a reference to the publicity(lol)-mindedness of this.

[Homer]

When I heard him speak about this he referred to KC as a process that when properly executed one (you) will obtain a consistent result.

So this raises the whole thing to a fever pitch. Like the person who challenges Kali by saying, Kali if you are real I will try to kill myself now and you will save me, if not I will just die. That is how much I need you to appear now. And the person dies.

Or Jesus who about to die is taunted, if you are really the son of God, invoke God to perform a miracle right now and get you off the cross and we will all bow down to your God! But Jesus doesn't and the crowd laughs on.

Why did Jesus on the cross say, my lord, why have you forsaken me?

Humility is part of applying the process scientifically. Although I am unsure how one synthesizes that chemical.

[Kalisurfer]

So this raises the whole thing to a fever pitch. Like the person who challenges Kali by saying, Kali if you are real I will try to kill myself now and you will save me, if not I will just die. That is how much I need you to appear now. And the person dies.

Shit, is this why approximately 56,540,896 people die every year?????

This confirms that there is no Kali! (pinch ... pinch ... pinch), it's not invisibility that's the problem, its non-existence ... the proof is in what happens below in the 3 hours after this post.

[evakurvan]

This is not an attack on winter coats or boring comedy necessarily more a reference to the publicity(lol)-mindedness of this.

Speaking of marketing Brainiac I know of Dawkins' credentials because i have heard him be introduced before speaking on different occasions. I kept getting more talks because I enjoy his enunciation and intonation too bad he does not take up a career as an audiobook producer for the blind instead.

PhDs from established universities are not non-notorious for putting out pap, I am not saying Dawkins is a corollary to these examples but isn't Dr.Phil a scientist too with a PhD in Physiology from an established university, oh no wait maybe that is Dr. Laura another ludicrous example. I wish I could think of less ludicrous examples to not pick these easy targets and do what you can do with religion. Anyway, this is not to diminish the value of school only to say just because you have a prestigious peer-reviewed degree does not have to say something about your books, except maybe how it is weird what people with schooling will put out or how much they will put out to get back. As a side note it is not my feeling that Dawkins' motives (like I'd know) are purely commercial

I am sure when he dies Richard Dawkins will be established as a Genius like Ayn Rand is and perhaps even appeal to those in the mellow of her fans.

[evakurvan]

As a side note it is not my feeling that Dawkins' motives (like I'd know) are purely commercial

To add to that I want to say I like what he is doing because it could lead to forcing people who are religious as a sideline fashionable hobby or even picture themselves full-blown religious but sweeping things to the hind of their mind to engage head on in a violent confrontation with the actual beliefs of the religion, quite literally like the Kali-suicider was attempting to do in a morbid way, at least you can't accuse him of not taking this stuff we read and are supposed to believe to its serious heart!

Isn't the message of Christianity, not unlike what you can say of Islam, that God loves the most those who die for him? Physically like Jesus in the flesh.

Anyway, kind of like how in Krishna Consciousness it can be more like Krishna Unquenchiousness not only because the thirst is ever thirsty and unquenched and p.s. that is somehow supposed to be the ultimate (in honest real life practise not just in theory) to be bereft of the presence of God is the best (as in separation), don't you think so?! - but there are burning questions that I think you can spend your life in the religion not noticing, thinking you don't have a question with, clarifying for others in words which are just that or are under the radar of your (k)consciousness avoiding because they burn.

[Brainiac]

but there are burning questions that I think you can spend your life in the religion not noticing , thinking you don't have a question with or are under the radar of your (k)consciousness avoiding because they burn.

Right!! And this is what's going on with me and the 'Critical Krishna' thread (although it is open to all to discuss their discomforts too). Being on a voyage of self-discovery is quite enlightening, not necessarily humiliating, as it allows you to laugh at yourself. Kind of how you might bring out your baby pictures or embarrassing kiddy pictures and wonder how you could ever have looked like that? Similarly, one should laugh at oneself; how could I have believed that? I laugh at myself often.

[evakurvan]

I would say it is better to be passionately engaged with the GV teachings in arduous malaise even if it ousts you from a social circle (but association is important(!)) rather than a complacent Krishna who thinks he believes, takes up all the accouterments of the religion to the tee with glee but when it comes down to life and death does not really believe.

[Brainiac]

Yes, I agree with you completely. It is definitely a much more honest approach. I think it is most important to be honest with oneself before one can be honest with others. So passionately questioning "eternally" is very much a good thing, I think.

[ePiTau]

Why did Jesus on the cross say, my lord, why have you forsaken me?

It is probably impossible to show that the possibly fictional Jesus ever spake what he is said to have said.

[Homer]

Why did Jesus on the cross say, my lord, why have you forsaken me?

It is probably impossible to show that the possibly fictional Jesus ever spake what he is said to have said.

Maybe, but millions need/wish to/do believe he said it. Do the collective beliefs within these minds create something tangible?

Collective Consciousness? Or The Mad Minds of the Masses?

[Homer]

I say be passionately engaged with Krishna who believes to the tee with glee