garbhadana samskara, who actually did it... Options

[zanardi]

I wouldnt want vaseline on my privates...but i guess its all a matter of personal preference. My main issue with his comment was how he was suggesting useing vaseline as an alternative to foreplay.

That was a good one! "Vaseline as an alternative to foreplay". It tells a lot about the underlying culture and mentality that existed (exists?). "With the help of vaseline we could skip all that foreplay and were able to conceive a male child. Excellent."
Is that not the ultimate expression of fruitive mentality? We WANT a male child.
And no foreplay? What the hell is that!? Barbarians! And they speak of sex as being something very low. Indeed.

[rhapsodieff]

I wouldnt want vaseline on my privates...but i guess its all a matter of personal preference. My main issue with his comment was how he was suggesting useing vaseline as an alternative to foreplay.

That was a good one! "Vaseline as an alternative to foreplay". It tells a lot about the underlying culture and mentality that existed (exists?). "With the help of vaseline we could skip all that foreplay and were able to conceive a male child. Excellent."
Is that not the ultimate expression of fruitive mentality? We WANT a male child.
And no foreplay? What the hell is that!? Barbarians! And they speak of sex as being something very low. Indeed.

Well if you don't like vaseline you can always use aqueous cream or E45 cream....

[Dhyana]

I wouldnt want vaseline on my privates...but i guess its all a matter of personal preference. My main issue with his comment was how he was suggesting useing vaseline as an alternative to foreplay.

Exactly. Nature has her own lubricant for women, but we male transcendentalists are smarter, we are going to cheat nature and get male children. Cheating mentality. And abusive toward the woman.

[Emma]

whats wrong with buying ky jelly? just buy it when you are buying a whole lot of other groceries. Then its not embarassing at all..really LOL

[ePiTau]

Yikes! So if we disrespect Susruta, we are dissing Visvamitra too.  Susrutas elaborate descriptions are truly rare.  So precise!  Alltogether it gives a whole new, shall I say paranormal, angle to the idea of science.

Beware, indeed! Dissing Visvamitra can be highly destructive of creepers and stuff. Only shelter in the permanent shade of a locomotory or adhesive organ of an invertebrate self-realized jagadguru acharger can protect one from all dangers, prabhuji!

[angrezi]

once you really get going it doesnt really matter what the brand of jelly is

[jean]

just use olive oil! no buying or embarrassment, its in the kitchen already!

[0Open Mind0]

just use olive oil!  no buying or embarrassment, its in the kitchen already!

What is the need for all this stuff when males have tongues?!

[Dhyana]

Oh Open Mind, now you sound like that sage in the Bhagavatam who exclaimed, What is the need for beds when one can sleep under a tree? What is the need for soft pillows when we have an elbow to rest the head on? What is the need for clothes when one can pick up old rags left on the road? Etc.

Anybody remembers the name of that rishi in the Open Mind sampradaya?

[ePiTau]

Oh Open Mind, now you sound like that sage in the Bhagavatam who exclaimed, What is the need for beds when one can sleep under a tree? What is the need for soft pillows when we have an elbow to rest the head on?  What is the need for clothes when one can pick up old rags left on the road? Etc.

Anybody remembers the name of that rishi in the Open Mind sampradaya? 

It's Shukadev himself in SB 2.2.4-5
cIrANi kiM pathi na santi dizanti bhikSAM, etc.

[Tapati]

I wouldnt want vaseline on my privates...but i guess its all a matter of personal preference. My main issue with his comment was how he was suggesting useing vaseline as an alternative to foreplay.

Exactly. Nature has her own lubricant for women, but we male transcendentalists are smarter, we are going to cheat nature and get male children. Cheating mentality. And abusive toward the woman.

Alas, as we women age we stop producing our own lubricant in sufficient quantity. It becomes necessary to supplement.

One can buy some excellent lubes via Good Vibrations store: http://www.goodvibes.com/

Of course, saliva also works.

[babu]

once you really get going it doesnt really matter what the brand of jelly is

peanut butter compliments the jelly quite well with semonlina bread

[Kalisurfer]

Only shelter in the permanent shade of a locomotory or adhesive organ of an invertebrate self-realized jagadguru acharger can protect one from all dangers, prabhuji!

That was great ePiTau...essential poetry...Allen Ginsberg could of used this combination of thoughts when writing "Howl" !!!

[Sita]

Can I revive this interesting topic for a few more minutes? I vaguely remember being told that either I (as the woman) or my husband (I can't remember which of us) was supposed to either fast before the sex or else eat lots of rich food (again I can't remember which) to help conceive (presumably) a male child. Is this just a twisted memory I had or was it really going around the ISKCON grapevines at one time? I had so little sex in the movement that I can only vaguely remember Jagajivan explaining something like this to me. I don't remember doing anything about it....

[ePiTau]

Can I revive this interesting topic for a few more minutes? I vaguely remember being told that either I (as the woman) or my husband (I can't remember which of us) was supposed to either fast before the sex or else eat lots of rich food (again I can't remember which) to help conceive (presumably) a male child. Is this just a twisted memory I had or was it really going around the ISKCON grapevines at one time? I had so little sex in the movement that I can only vaguely remember Jagajivan explaining something like this to me. I don't remember doing anything about it....

I don't have any authoritative ISKCON quotes at hand, but by applying the well-known ISKCON logic it should work like this:

- a male child is conceived when the man's excretions are more profuse than the woman's;
- one becomes lusty after eating rich, fatty foods;
- one becomes weak and less lusty after fasting;

now what of it?

- you, the woman must fast, so you become weak and less lusty;
- your guy should eat rich, fatty food;
- then he mounts the weak, less lusty chick, who is so gone she's beyond excreting;
- he is so lusty and super-charged with rich, fatty food he excretes the required more than her amount;
- male offspring soul is ready to be attracted to this loving couple, burning with the desire to become their child;

this is the scientific method - om

[Kalisurfer]

According to Wikipedia, the average human sex ratio at birth is close to 1.1 males/females, or for every 105 males born, there are 100 females born. It would be curious to see just what the birth sex ratio would be within ISKCON, like would it be close to what India experiences, or would it reflect the ratio of the country the devotees live or were born in?

The birth sex ratio for individual countries is as follows:

China — Males 119 / Females 100
Armenia — Males 114 / Females 100
Georgia — Males 113 / Females 100
India — Males 112 / Females 100
Hong Kong — Males 108 / Females 100
Ireland — Males 107 / Females 100
Portugal — Males 107 / Females 100
Denmark— Males 106 / Females 100
Russia — Males 106 / Females 100
Sweden— Males 106 / Females 100
Australia — Males 105 / Females 100
Germany — Males 105 / Females 100
Netherlands —Males 105 / Females 100
United Kingdom —Males 105 / Females 100
United States —Males 105 / Females 100
Finland — Males 104 / Females 100
Belgium — Males 104 / Females 100
Columbia — Males 103 / Females 100
African countries (avg.) Males 103 / Females 100
Albania — Males 101 /Females 100
Grenada — Males 100 / Females 100

[Sita]

- you, the woman must fast, so you become weak and less lusty;
- your guy should eat rich, fatty food;
- then he mounts the weak, less lusty chick, who is so gone she's beyond excreting;
- he is so lusty and super-charged with rich, fatty food he excretes the required more than her amount;
- male offspring soul is ready to be attracted to this loving couple, burning with the desire to become their child;

this is the scientific method - om

That's what I thought it was sort of was, and following the rather perverse logic, it would make sense... Thanks.

[Gerard]

The birth sex ratio for individual countries is as follows:

China — Males 119 / Females 100
...

India — Males 112 / Females 100

Has female infanticide been taken into account here?

[Kalisurfer]

The birth sex ratio for individual countries is as follows:

China — Males 119 / Females 100
...

India — Males 112 / Females 100

Has female infanticide been taken into account here?

Good point, so I went back to the Wiki God of information and found this info way down the line;

Sex-selective abortion and infanticide are thought to significantly skew the naturally occurring ratio in some populations, such as China, where the introduction of ultrasound scans in the late 1980s has led to a birth sex ratio of 1.19 (2005 data), according to Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

These practices are based on a cultural preference for one sex, typically males, over the other. A son is often preferred as an 'asset', since he can earn and support the family; a daughter is a 'liability' since she will be married off to another family, and so will not contribute financially to her parents. The patriarchal structure of a society is the single most important factor skewing the sex ratio in favor of males, accentuated in some cultures by the burden of raising a dowry for a daughter's marriage. Reported sex ratios at birth, outside the typical range of 103:100 to 107:100, thus call for an explanation of some kind. In other populations that have witnessed declining sex ratios, researchers have suggested that ecological factors may be at work. In all such reports, it is important to exclude plausible alternative explanations.

[zanardi]

In all such reports, it is important to exclude plausible alternative explanations.

Indeed. Yet I am worried about Albania and Grenada. It seems they are giving rich and fatty foods to their women. Just see.