Have you seen the saucers?, My sighting 2004 Options

[babu]

And keep their probes out of my butt. They may be very advanced technologically to be able to travel billions of miles across space but they are obsessed with buttholes with all the abduction material I read.

[Homer]

And keep their probes out of my butt.  They may be very advanced technologically to be able to travel billions of miles across space but they are obsessed with buttholes with all the abduction material I read.

My butthole was not violated, and I am pretty sure they knew I was watching. If they wanted to force the issue I doubt I cound have retained my honor!

Just wish I could see them again as I now have a you beaut digital camera and I am buying a very powerful spotting scope - just in case. I will also remain seated while I watch them next time, I remember South Park, alright!

[Tapati]

That would be so incredible, if you could get pictures!

[Kalisurfer]

Homer, I believe your story and feel what you saw was very unexplained and a mystery which could of very well been a UFO. I too once had an experience of seeing something mysterious in the sky and can remember all the doubt on people’s faces when I recounted my simple story.

Here is my story:

I have had only one UFO experience that happened in late August 1976 about 85 miles west of Minneapolis, Minnesota. At the time, my girlfriend and I were on our way back to Detroit after spending a few weeks camping at Yellowstone and Grand Teton' national parks in Wyoming, and also after a one week intensive meditation retreat. Although I was young at the time, I had already became a vegetarian and had given up alcohol and drugs about 5 years before this experience, so my consciousness was pretty straight at the time.

We were traveling late at night, a little after midnight, in my little VW Square-back looking for a campground to spend what was left of the night. At around 1 AM in the morning, after not being able to find any campgrounds and not wanting to pitch a tent too close to Minneapolis, we decided to just pull off into a highway rest stop, clean up and sleep in the back of the little station-wagon.

When I pulled into the rest stop, there were no cars anywhere in the place, just this small building with bathrooms and candy machines was light up, so we got our gear and went inside to freshen up before calling it a late night. I went into the men’s room and there was this little older fellow washing the floors in a dark brown jump suit. We spoke some about the quietness of late night, and then I went out into the hallway to wait for my girlfriend to come out. Suddenly the doors to the place fly open and this middle age couple are yelling, “UFO, UFO, it’s been following us for miles, going under bridges and over trees, not to mention our car! Now it’s hovering in back of the building” I was tired no more, so I asked them if they could wait for my girlfriend to come out before we could all go out back and check it out. My girlfriend comes out and the story is repeated, so we go walking quickly out of the building. I was thinking the whole time, are these people for real, hope their not thieves or something, but why would anyone try to rob two young hippies, and they were this pretty normal looking middle aged, middle class looking couple. So we all went walking quickly out and around the small building to the opposite side of the parking lot and toward the tree line about 300 ft away. There it was! It was this huge bright orange oblong shaped object, hovering over the treetops. The weird part about it was that the color seemed to be emanating from the inside out, very neon orange and bright, and even weirder yet, there was no sound. As bright as it was, it was not throwing out any light that reflected onto the trees, it was this self-contained brightness, next to a very dark clear star filled country night. My first thought was, it’s a balloon, but it was so long, had no seams or markings of any kind and was very smooth almost clear plastic looking, just this very bright oblong object about 100 feet away and about 60 feet up. The people kept exclaiming how this thing would go slow, then very fast, they clocked it at over 90 miles an hour in their car while driving along it on the highway, that it would stop on the dime, go away and then catch up with them, then go up and down, almost like it was playing some kind of tag game with them. When we saw it in the back of the building, it would just hover backwards and disappear behind the tree tops, then come back, go a little up and then down. This went on for about 10 to 15 minutes until it just whooshed away into the horizon behind the trees, the kind of sound you hear if you swing a bat or stick very hard. It was gone, that was that.

We all talked about it for about 20 minutes afterward, then we went back into the building and the maintenance guy listened to our story and had this look on his face,” What drugs are these people on!” So the couple said their goodbyes and went ahead of us out the door, then we left about 20 seconds later. My girlfriend and I were psyched and wide awake, we then realized that there were still no cars in the lot and remembered that when we walked outside with the couple, we could not remember seeing any cars then either, and where was the vehicle for the maintenance guy? We walked back to the woods and waited some more but nothing happened. We went back to the car, pulled into the far ends of the lot and stayed up a few hours hoping to see some more, and talking all kind of wild scenarios on how maybe the people and maintenance guy were aliens trying to abduct us because we had just come back from a meditation course, all kinds of fantastic stuff, but that was it, and never again have I ever seen anything like that. Could of it been some kind of weather balloon or futuristic type military aircraft? Maybe, but if the other couples story was correct, how would a weather balloon do all the things they say it did, and from my research, I have never seen a photo of a weather balloon or military aircraft that came close to what I saw. I am convinced it was something totally unexplained and one the more fabulous minute experiences of my life that still gives me feelings of wonder and awe, even as simple as the experience was.

[evakurvan]

I believe that there are things that exist that we cannot see, there are sounds that exist in frequencies that we cannot hear, whereas animals or scientific instruments can detect some of them, same with colours. This is not really disputed but mundane a neuroscientist will teach this straight-faced like it is the most commonplace thing as I have experienced when taking classes on the brain. People have been hearing and seeing things that are not supposed to be there forever, I am wondering at what point did people start saying that these experiences are literally people from other planets or ailiens. My question would be how do you know these things are ailiens? Why not ghosts, spirits, demons, visions or whatever else, why ailiens with superior technology in aircrafts?

I know people who have seen or heard things that should not be there, my sister would see coloured lights like that when she was a child but as she got older it stopped forever. She never thought of this as ailiens. I think I have heard things that are not there, but I never thought of this as ailiens. Maybe this has to do with how I am just not interested in ailiens, I am not a fan of the Sci-Fi genre (excluding the Twilight Zone (!!!) if you want to call that Sci-Fi) and I never even saw E.T. so I am not one to interpret any experience as being from ailiens since for some reason I am not into ailiens. For someone into the ailien aesthetic it is another story, but I am interested in this leap, why leap to calling these experiences specifically ailien experiences or ufos.

[Tapati]

Kalisurfer, I had flashes back to a show I had the misfortune to check out, a sort of horror anthology type show, can't remember its title, but these young hippie types in their guatemalan clothes and dreadlocks were selling stuff outside a rest stop. Looked so harmless but it turned out that they were robbing and killing people and taking them to their lair under the rest stop to strip them of literally everything--hair, skin, teeth, everything. So the mystery of where the cars were brought this back to me. (shudder)

Perhaps we do jump to conclusions about aliens although some sci fi centers around theories that there are other races among us, either isolated deliberately, in hiding, or passing as human.

Still another theory may have it that there are non-sentient entities that we assume are intelligent. The playful zipping around this way and that seems like that to me, a dog level intelligence.

Or it could be some kind of energy phenomena. (Or intelligent energy being.)

We just don't know...

[Kalisurfer]

I am wondering at what point did people start saying that these experiences are literally people from other planets or ailiens. My question would be how do you know these things are ailiens? Why not ghosts, spirits, demons, visions or whatever else, why [i]ailiens with superior technology in aircrafts?

It does seem like the status of UFO sightings is taken about as seriously as Elvis sightings. Perhaps it is because of all the sci-fi movies, comics and TV shows that has cheapened the topic to this low-brow status in serious alternative thought. It becomes this Barnum & Bailey Circus topic full of bad clown paintings done on velvet next to cheap paperback romance novels sitting above the tabloid newspaper National Enquirer shouting bold headlines that Hitler is alive and well due to the new wonder diet that includes eating the fat off the body of Christy Allie! It does not help either that a lot of people who go to UFO conventions are also the same ones who belong to the United Universal Church of Elvis, but somehow that makes all the false sightings all the more understandable.

I just read these astronomical statistics recently and they point out the odds that we are the only intelligent beings around who fly machines to be pretty minute. Just think about our planet and the Milky Way we are in. The Sun in which our planet revolves around is only one of around 400 Billion stars in that same Milky Way, which is really a small galaxy that has very little around it. But there are estimated to be 140 billion galaxies in our unfolding universe. If all the stars in the universe were the size of a pin, they still would fill a large football stadium to overflowing more than 3 billion times! So why not be able to freely think that there are other planets with life forms that have the ability to come on down to earth and check us out, be they advanced, primitive or worst yet, like us?

It’s hard to explain seeing something physical that you see with your eyes and senses that cannot be explained to those who have never seen such a thing. It is easy call it crazy and totally whack or attribute it to the land of mental visions and ephemeral spirit, but to those who experience it, it just is what it is: a physically real experience, where the mind and senses know that the experience is as real as anything else you have ever experienced in the material plane.

Unless your crazy of course and believe that god was once a blue little boy that opened his mouth to his mother so she could see the spiritual universes, and that when he got older he had a consort who was actually a part of him/herself, and that at night he went into a forest with all the married wives in his village and had intimate conjugal relations but no sex, and that he incarnated 500 years ago so he could taste the beauty of himself and go nuts chanting his own name, well then of course, you know you’ve lost it all and in no time you’ll be seeing the saucers above your head!

[Homer]

The weird part about it was that the color seemed to be emanating from the inside out, very neon orange and bright, and even weirder yet, there was no sound.  As bright as it was, it was not throwing out any light that reflected onto the trees, it was this self-contained brightness, next to a very dark clear star filled country night.

Just as it appeared, well put!

[evakurvan]

I am not saying I don't believe in ailiens, I really can't know, I do not think seeing things like that means you are wack, and even if you *were* wack I would not say that what you see is not there. My post was not really to challenge the existence of seeing something that others can't see, more to ask why call that thing ailiens with superior technology in aircrafts... do you see what I mean... People see strange floating lights and other things since ages, and they interpret these experiences in all sorts of other ways considered equally -wack- . . . why ailens?

It’s hard to explain seeing something physical that you see with your eyes and senses that cannot be explained to those who have never seen such a thing. It is easy call it crazy and totally whack or attribute it to the land of mental visions and ephemeral spirit, but to those who experience it, it just is what it is: a physically real experience, where the mind and senses know that the experience is as real as anything else you have ever experienced in the material plane.

You seem to say these are not –only- visions or spirits, but so real they must be ailiens, but I do not understand why you say that. Do you think people who see things that aren't there, but don't call those things 'ailiens,' have an experience that is not as physically real? Or that it is somehow not as plausible an experience as the experience of people who want to call what they see ailiens?

Just a thought I think a lot of males are particularly into ailiens more than females, and I think that is because they feel more logical attributing their eerie experiences to ailiens, since there is scientific jargon behind it and can go into explanations of the plausibility of life on other planets and 140 billion galaxies, so this whole dialogue of numbers and rational explanations gives them a security and aura of credibility, a language they feel is acceptable to talk in. Just like if you go into a Sci-Fi Comic store almost everyone will be male it seems Sci-Fi and ailiens is the only accpetable outlet for regular males to indulge in these kinds of things without being thought of as irrational people who believe in irrational things, which carries more a social stigma for males than it does for females.

[Chanahari]

Saying "aliens" fits better to our quasi-scientific worldview than saying "demons, or angels, or ghosts". Our science denies the existence of all such supranatural things, but doesn't fully denies the possibility of technologically advanced aliens who travel between solar systems.

That our culture has an established view how do those other (non-existent?) creatures look like - ie. that angeles are something like winged, whitey female beings; that ghosts are something cloudy, floating ectoplasma (or the same being packed into a white textile) etc. - these images don't fit well to the perceived image of either the commuting UFOs or their pilots.

[Kalisurfer]

Evakurvan, you raise some good points in your critique on aliens and UFO’s. I especially love the observation on males being the predominant users of comic book stores, getting turned on by logical scientific thinking and the billions of galaxies phenomena and all things left brained. But my points were based on my own experience of seeing something mysterious and unearthly in terms of being very close to a strange object floating and then moving in the air. I just wanted to support Homer in his experience, because I know first hand how people will dismiss your personal experience based on disbelief in the paranormal or anything associated with alternative thinking out of the mainstream and close to the woo wooish twilight zone world. I never said that what I saw was an alien aircraft, just an unexplained mysterious one. Like you, I have no factual idea if aliens do exist, nor is it a very important issue or a part of my life. The possibility of intelligent life out there in the universe is pretty high to my thinking, mainly because there is so little of it here on earth, and I am hopeful that some exists here outside of the spiritual planes.

I am really not a science/numbers type of guy whose pants rise at the proclamation of billions of stars and universes out there, and am more interested in all things right brain, be it spirit, art, poetry, creativity, healing, inward inquiry, love, abstraction and all things that cannot be qualified and given fundamental answers to. So I find it interesting and somewhat amusing to be lumped into the all Male Science & Numbers Intellect a Go Go Club that meets at the local comic store due to my post explaining my experience of seeing something unexplainable and wanting to support someone who had a similar experience.

But you make good points also, and yes, there probably are a lot of mysterious things out there that are explainable that end up being considered alien. It is also a great possibility that because of people being unable to believe in anything spiritual and coming from subtler aspects of the self or finer spiritual planes, that they have to attribute all mysterious things to physical phenomena that are unidentifiable, aliens being one of those, which immediately excludes the topics you mentioned in your post, the realms of spirit, ghosts, demons, visions, etc.

In some strange way, I think we agree more than disagree on this topic, but that’s the fun of trying to explain your thoughts, feeling and experiences in written form, without the immediacy of dialogue, facial expressions and all the spirit of in-person interaction.

I’m going to have to visit a comic book store and see if any women go there at all, you’ve made me very curious! Now I am also in need of finding out how many men attend the Universal Church of Elvis, and if not, does this have any correlation to the book, “Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus” that was so popular a few years back, and all of this could go a long way in explaining why maybe we are all aliens on this planet!

[Tapati]

I confess to having been a comic book reader in my preteen and teen years, own a few even now, and love all things sci fi. I seem to be almost evenly divided between right and left brain thinking...enjoy both and both have their place in my life.

I guess I never quite fit anywhere...

[evakurvan]

Sorry I was not trying to lump you in or judge you, when I was writing that I was not thinking that you must be 'one of those people' at the local comic store or something like this, comics are not only for teens or foolish people like you think I am implying, there are many adult creative people into comic books. Also I once saw this documentary about the life of a comic book artist named Crumb and it was one of the most eerie things I ever saw. Yes to me eerie means *intriguing,* I do not think eerie means foolish and dismiss it, I am not doing that with ailiens either just because I make an observation about gender. Like you I am into abstraction and tend to go off into abstraction this is why I said "Just a Thought," because it is true Sci Fi seems to be mainly a male thing though there are some females into it too - it is very noticeable, so I started thinking I wonder why that is.

I am really not one to support ideas like in the book Men are from Mars like you might be saying, ideas like in that book tend to agitate me, even though gendrist perspectives on the brain are very popular in academic circles and backed by a lot of scientific research, for some reason these types of things never sit right with me even though they are probably true in some sense and few have a problem with them. I was not trying to undermine you or your support of Homer.

This post has been edited by evakurvan: May 21 2005, 03:07 AM

[metamorphosis]

My mom and I live in a very tiny town in the hills of the North East of USA, and even here we have seen things in the sky that could not be explained.

I did not see them, but my mom did. She does not drink or smoke or anything that might bring such views on unnaturally.

What she saw was at night and they were just multi colored light flying over the forest in our view (my favorite view in this material world) the colored lights were so bright that she could see the forest below them. This went on for some time untill they did the usual fly off at an incredible speed.

The next night she went out at the same time to see if they were again there, and sure enough there they were. After the second night she called up who ever in the US government that a person calls when they see UFOs. They in turn contacted her and got her story.

On another note, and forgive me if this was pointed out here in this thread before. But related to this subject and to Gaudiya Repercussions....... I have a satelite tv hook up and sometimes when it is my turn to watch tv, I surf through the channels, recently I was doing so and came to a face that I recognized. It was the devotee who was part of the Scientist program of Bhaktivedanta/ Hare Krishna. I have forgotten the name of him and the program, but there he was, neck beads showing, talking about the past history of earth, and of past technologies, including space craft described in the Vedas. Perhaps his name is Sadhuputa?

Anyways he was being interviewed as "someone in the know". And the TV show was called UFO's

I recognized him from when he came to our temple once,back in the late 70's, to give a series of lectures on the Fifth canto and how to understand the space descriptions in it.

[Chanahari]

He is Sadaputa. With long second "a".

[0Oneiros0]

He is Sadaputa. With long second "a".

The "u" is long, too.

[metamorphosis]

He is Sadaputa. With long second "a".

The "u" is long, too.

Now we know perfectly how to pronounce his name, is he the one who I have seen on this UFO show?

[evakurvan]

I do not know if this is from Sadaputa, but it is from an Iskcon leader whose name I don't remember. For a long time I have been thinking that electricity hums, like from a computer, are somehow draining even if we don't realize that they are draining since our attention span tends to eventually block out backround noise. I realized this especially when I lived in the same room as a refrigerator! I make efforts to buy quiet computers and I am interested in these topics of sound so this is why when I heard this it struck me particularly. The theory by the Iskcon leader goes like this. There are ailiens who have more advanced technology than we do, and in order to power their technology they have implanted an inferior version of their technology on earth - that hums. It is from that constant hum that the ailiens power their own advanced technology, creating a constant feed for their machines. This information is apparently in the Vedas. Has anyone heard of this theory? Bhakti Tirtha Swami also talks a lot about ailiens in his book Spiritual Warrior: Uncovering Spiritual Truths in Psychic Phenomena.

[0Oneiros0]

For a long time I have been thinking that electricity hums, like from a computer, are somehow draining even if we don't realize that they are draining since our attention span tends to eventually block out backround noise. I realized this especially when I lived in the same room as a refrigerator! I make efforts to buy quiet computers and I am interested in these topics of sound so this is why when I heard this it struck me particularly. The theory by the Iskcon leader goes like this. There are ailiens who have more advanced technology than we do, and in order to power their technology they have implanted an inferior version of their technology on earth - that hums. It is from that constant hum that the ailiens power their own advanced technology, creating a constant feed for their machines.

It is draining, but I doubt that aliens have anything to do with it. You may be interested in listening to the second act of this broadcast (Real Player needed). Or go to http://www.thislife.org/.

This information is apparently in the Vedas.

Oh, please!

[evakurvan]

Thanks that was interesting, I have thought a few of the things said in that clip.

There are some people who say that tinnitis, an ear problem that causes one to hear a constant ringing in the ear, is not necessarily ear damage. Instead people with tinnitus are hearing sound frequencies that always exist in the ear, but that most people are conditionned to block out. So if we were to not block it out, we would hear this constant ringing too.