Have you seen the saucers?, My sighting 2004 Options

[Homer]

Have many of you special people have seen unusual lights and flying objects in the sky?

In September 2004 I was up all night and went outside at around 2:30am to get some fresh air on my veranda overlooking the sea and the peninsula dividing the ocean and the inlet. I was a very dark night with no moon. And no, I did not ingest any substances that could have altered my perception.

As I headed towards the door to return inside I noticed a little red light on the hill immediately in front of my house around two kilometres distant. I initially thought it was a house light and I turned to enter my home when I had a feeling that there was something about this light that was odd so I watched it for 30 seconds or so. As I watched, it began to move. I thought, OK it must be someone holding a flashlight and they have begun walking around. Then it began to describe a triangular pattern of movement, slightly irregular, but it made this circuit over and over for approximately ten minutes. Then it switched on some lights and I saw that I was watching a circular craft flying low. The headlights (?) were on for only a few seconds.

The craft changed appearance from a red light to a more bizarre glow and it continued this strange flight pattern as though looking for something. I was not afraid but I was wondering what in the world it was doing, as it seemed so silly to be traversing this triangle over and over.

After about a half-hour of this I phoned my son in California to share what I was watching with someone I knew would believe me. He told me to get a photograph but I had no film. I did have a telescope and through this I got a fantastic view of the craft. As I was describing all this to him the ship dimmed and seemed to settle and remained still for a few minutes.

After a few minutes of this inactivity I noticed a bright star rising from the top of the hilly peninsula. I had never seen this star and I watched it carefully. It was white and it seemed to be a little large for a star. Then it stopped its accent and floated over towards the first object and hovered above it for a few seconds. Then it floated to the other side of the hill. I could see this as my house is on the side of a mountain looking down on this scene. It appeared to be out of sight of the first object as far as I could tell, judging from my estimation of their line of sight.

Then both lights hovered very still. Suddenly they both began to move erratically and by only a few degrees. This movement was completely in unison and very swift. It was obvious that they were linked in some wonderful way. This continued for about a minute or so.

When this simultaneous dance ended the white rectangular object floated off in a southerly direction out over the Southern Ocean and I could see the reflection of its glow on the surface of the sea. It went out for a few miles and then it floated back and began a wandering flight very low around the inlet and the hill on the peninsula.

Having a telescope enabled me to get a really close look at these craft. The first one liked like a machine. The second one was much larger, rectangular and it almost looked like an organic structure as the surface had a beautiful scale-like pattern and the edges of its slightly irregular shape had what looked like thin wires with bulbs all around the outline. Maybe the entire surface had these ‘hairs’ but I could not tell.

I watched these things for over three hours while chanting japa and keeping warm wrapped in my sleeping bag. I looked forward to the morning dawn so I would be able to see them in the daylight only to witness a low rain cloud obscure the entire scene and when it passed they were gone.

I was never frightened by what I saw and I switched my outside lights mounted on all my outside walls on and off several times hoping to attract their attention and hoping they would venture my way.

I share this with you as I trust you here and I know that many of you accept that there are beings on other planets that have the technology to travel as we have all read in the shastra. I believed these beings existed long before I read about them in books simply by looking at the stars as a little boy.

[evakurvan]

"There are a lot of people interested in alien visitors. A quick Google search for “UFO" will list almost 1.9-million sites. It’s the second most popular subject on the Net after sex."

- David Hachey, 63-year-old former insurance adjuster and local UFO enthusiast.

[Tapati]

Several times over the years I've seen lights moving in ways that didn't fit any logical pattern for planes or helicoptors or stars or planets. Never got any kind of close look.

I don't have enough data to draw conclusions about what I saw, but I do take for granted that life exists on other planets. It seems farfetched to me that life only exists on this one planet on the edge of the milky way galaxy.

My only reservation about UFOs is whether faster than light travel is really possible or not, as that is the only way they could make it here unless they have "generation ships" where generations live aboard a ship to make a long journey between stars. Or they are very long lived.

Who knows?

[Homer]

Gee I wondered why this topic had been ignored. I find myself getting up at around two or three am every morning to check if our friends are having fun down near the water.

[Tapati]

I didn't notice the topic when it originally appeared.

[Chanahari]

Maybe it became a shame to speak about UFOs. "All those disturbed conspiration theorists, ehh!" The tabloids and the conmen made the whole thing ridiculous. Most probably, many real UFO sighters also feel so, and never speak about their experiences.

I didn't write because I decided that none of my abnormal sightings of starlike objects would be on-topic here, as they can't be definable as either alien aircrafts or any known natural phenomena. Thought I desired for long time to see an extraterrestrial vehicle, when I was littler. Damn.

[Homer]

I am so glad a couple of you have responded as I find these topics to be so fascinating and when something like this makes its presence known I feel as though I have seen a small part of The Grand Plan.

Maybe when the original post was ignored I felt as though this forum could be a little too narrow for sharing profound experiences as they happen in the here-and-now. So many here, and elsewhere, seem to be transfixed on third-hand narrations of material and spiritual phenomena. I find this tedious, as I have discovered that we are not immortal and I have my own experiences to process, leaving me with little time to wade through educated cultural chatter.

These ships were so wonderful to watch. I feel sorry for those that rely on their preconceptions and will dismiss the reality of what is all around us simply because they have not been so lucky to have witnessed what I have been fortunate enough to.

[Tapati]

Yet board statistics show that the topics that consistently received the most posts and views were the ones in "our stories" forum. That led some to conclude that the deep scholarly talks they wanted to have weren't popular here--go figure!

The thing is, what gets posted or not depends often on who happens to be here at any given time (board populations shift over time) and has time to post, what has caught their interest at the moment, and what other people respond to, since no one can keep up a conversation by themselves. And sometimes a topic simply gets overlooked if people are busy.

I think I myself straddle the scholarly and the experiential. I think both have their value.

On the ufo topic I remain open minded and uncommitted to an explanation. I do wish we could prove a sighting once and for all, if they are of alien origin. There's always the possiblity of military crafts that are top secret being mistaken for UFOs. That wouldn't surpise me either.

Whatever you've seen I'm sure it was fascinating to watch.

[0nabadip0]

I wonder what is behind it that few sightings occur in Europe... too densly populated?

[Chanahari]

Maybe the aliens know the Earth's geopolitical reality enough not to waste their capacity on the declining continent.

[Tapati]

Oh I don't know, I think with the EU Europe is making a lot of progress and may pass us Americans up in the not so distant future.

I wouldn't mind seeing someone else in the hotseat as "most powerful blah blah blah" because there's a lot of pressure involved with that. And really, no one nation can solve the world's problems.

[Homer]

I wonder what is behind it that few sightings occur in Europe... too densly populated?

We have many sightings here in Australia. Here where I live it is very wild and forested. I imagine they come here as it is quite peaceful and they have few buildings to avoid.

I do wonder just what they were doing as they flew around the hills and peninsula. I doubt they were just doing nothing. Although they could have been just playing. Maybr the sea was part of their visit?

[Homer]

On the ufo topic I remain open minded and uncommitted to an explanation. I do wish we could prove a sighting once and for all, if they are of alien origin. There's always the possiblity of military crafts that are top secret being mistaken for UFOs. That wouldn't surpise me either.

No way! Military involvement is so out of the question. What I watched was far, far too graceful and advanced for those deadheads in uniform.

There was absolutely no noise; no exhaust, no flashing lights and the movements were so wonderfully smooth and apparently effortless. The fantastic colors and beauty was far beyond the guys running around dropping bombs on wedding parties in Afghanistan. If they had this technology they would be using it – that is for sure!

What I think is that these craft have been coming here for millennia and the ancients described them as chariots or pillars of salt or whatever as the terminology we use for these things was not in existence and they used what they had. Sort of like the Sun God dragging the Sun across the sky in His chariot.

[Tapati]

I wish I could see something like that in enough detail to really see what it is. The moving lights I've seen are too vague to really say what they are.

How wonderful to have had a telescope just at the right time!

But then, what do you think of the abduction stories? Can you imagine what you saw being connected to abductions and the kinds of examinations and painful procedures we hear about? What you describe sounds so graceful and benign, it's hard to connect it to those activities. Although I suppose there could be more than one type of extraterrestrial.

I admit I am still hung up on the time involved in traveling to other planets. I know in science fiction they always explain it away by "warp drives" or "tesseracts" but those are conventions adopted to allow interstellar stories to take place. We don't believe in our present level of scientific understanding that it is possible except by wormhole, and those (so far as we know) are not controllable. If you happen to find a stable wormhole, you can --maybe-- travel through it although we don't know much about what the inside is like in terms of stressors, pressure, etc., so we aren't even sure you'd survive the trip. But let's say you do, and the other side is just as stable. Great, you have a trip back and forth between two points in space, and if there happen to be aliens on the other end you may have communication and commerce, etc., but no way to get to still other aliens.

It would be a lucky race who happened to live within traveling distance of more than one wormhole going to more than one race, and they could become a travel hub of sorts connecting those races together. They'd either be very rich or someone would beat them up and take over. :glare:

So I can't imagine everyone congregating here at the edge of our galaxy (even though we act like we're at the center) unless there is a wormhole nexus fairly close in terms of space distances.

Of course, we are in the earlly stages with quantum physics and one of the great science fiction hopes is that it will offer some applications that will enable star travel. One of the various methods mentioned in sci fi literature is utilizing alternate universes to travel through, say a smaller universe as a shortcut through to another spot in our own. Quantum physics seems to indicate the possibility of alternate universes, or at least one physicist thinks so. I can't remember his name but I read a long article about it in a science journal in one of my waiting room reading periods. (As an aside, if you get ill, buy a stack of paperbacks and magazines because you'll spend a lot of your life waiting for doctors or procedures.)

I can't imagine anything more incredible or wonderful in my own lifetime than open contact with aliens. (Well, the peaceful sort.)

Yet I don't imagine that they'd want open contact until we grow up as a species, so it may be many lifetimes from now.

[Chanahari]

Oh I don't know, I think with the EU Europe is making a lot of progress and may pass us Americans up in the not so distant future.

I wouldn't mind seeing someone else in the hotseat as "most powerful blah blah blah" because there's a lot of pressure involved with that. And really, no one nation can solve the world's problems.

Yes, nations are the main causes of the world's problems - their existence, which breaks down the force and capabilities of humanity to tiny fractions. But as long as they exist, there will be always one or some of them which are specifically advantaged, compared to the others.

Actually, I, with my European ethnocentrism, I tend to believe that Europe is more advanced in "culture" (I can't really say what is it ) and diplomacy than the USA, while USA is more advanced in military, economics and science. But I can't be so optimistic to think that we can pass the USA in these fields too, because we don't have a government - we have 25 of them. Although there is no merit in passing you up in economical production, for our material needs are already provided for, and further development is only possible by exploiting our workforce and environment.

But I think that the USA will shrink in these two fields too, because of its weakening education and disintegrating society. One can't be a superpower for so long, if one fifth of the popultion is practically illiterate, and almost half the population believes that the Earth is 6000 years old.

China is the probable favorite. Not a cheerful solution to me either.

[Chanahari]

There was absolutely no noise; no exhaust, no flashing lights and the movements were so wonderfully smooth and apparently effortless. The fantastic colors and beauty was far beyond the guys running around dropping bombs on wedding parties in Afghanistan. If they had this technology they would be using it – that is for sure!

This was one of my reasons to give up my faith in conspiration theories which taught that the American government signed an alliance with the Greys in which they allowed the Greys to abduct and process people and giving hi-tech in exchange. When Yugoslavia was bombed in 1999, I figured out that if USA military would have UFOs, they would not bombing Yugos with these earthly machines, but they would (have) bomb(ed) them (or Bhagdad, Teheran, Phongyang, Beijing, Moscow instead) with UFOs.

No way! Military involvement is so out of the question. What I watched was far, far too graceful and advanced for those deadheads in uniform.

They still might have been the interplanetary military force of the aliens. In our history, most expeditions, and especially space adventures were organized by military institutions.

They can still be way above our "deadheads".

[Chanahari]

Just some ideas how could we be so interesting for many species, aside the wormhole theory.

If planets with a big biosphere are rare, it might explain that so many different UFO-building species congregate at the Earth. Biodiversity is valuable for a sentient being - even if for purely economic reasons, places of high biodiversity may have lifeforms which produce medicines, hormones, useful toxins, or which accumulate needful and rare types of heavy metals. If they have less practical interests in us, they have even more reasons to come here.

An intelligent race may be probably much rarer than a living planet - that, of course, will also attract the attention of other sentient beings. Either as a potential enemy (just look at our history so far) or a potential friend - or ally against other sentients with different interests -, we might be very interesting for any already advanced species.

[Homer]

But then, what do you think of the abduction stories?

I admit I am still hung up on the time involved in traveling to other planets.

Yet I don't imagine that they'd want open contact until we grow up as a species, so it may be many lifetimes from now.

My gut feeling is that these visitors (maybe they originate here) are so far advanced that the need to prey on us is a little ridiculous. The technological wonder of their transportation alone appeared to me to be light years ahead of anything we have. I felt that I was not in danger; actually I felt to be associating with benevolent and kind beings.

The whole time I watched I felt an amazing normality about what I witnessed. The whole scene was soothing to me. I even tried to attract them by switching my outdoor lights on and off to signal that I was friendly. These outside lights (12) are all around my home and as there were no other lights on at the time in the whole town, my lights would have been very obvious. Plus I am on the side of a mountain that can be seen for many miles. The night was moonless and very dark.

As far as the time involved in interstellar travel I would point to the level of technology we enjoyed only a couple of hundred years ago and contrast that with what we have available today, such as the computer we have on our desks, or flight of any kind for that matter. Our Great-grandfathers’ would probably never believe we could fly at 600 MPH at over 30 000 feet! I personally don’t think that our time-construct resembles the reality. I believe time is not linear and therefore it is flexible and probably this would allow us to traverse extreme distances once we understood the properties and qualities and possibilities that time presents to us.

Somehow I do think we are being contacted by higher beings even if we are primitives. These beings would be what the ancients would have referred to as demigods. Demigods are supposed to be on a spiritual platform and by virtue of this they understand our true nature. At least I like to think so.

[babu]

The don't seem to have a cow protection agenda with all the cattle mutilations they do.

[Homer]

The don't seem  to have a cow protection agenda with all the cattle mutilations they do.

I suppose these cow mutilators are perhaps not as advanced as others? Or maybe they see humans slaughtering millions and they are wondering why we do so?

What I do know is that the wonderful craft I saw were the products of a very advanced group of beings. We have many cattle farms here and I have yet to hear of a farmer finding such a mutilated animal, and stories travel very fast around these parts, has no fear about that. I hear just about everything that goes on.

I actually can only surmise about the nature of the beings responsible for my sightings. I wish I could know more about them. I still get up most mornings around three and look to see if they are about. Have a look at the map of Western Australia and look up Denmark. You will see the Wilson Inlet and the Southern Ocean are very much at the end of the Earth where one would imagine travellers from where ever would feel some ability to be undetected and secure. I do!